[Yorick]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: [qb] I see this as an irrelevant comparrison. I simply disagree with this. A single ovary or spermatazoid may become a human -- that does not mean it is one. For me, it is not human until some point. I place that point at the moment of brain activity. For me, it is obvious that at the blastula and gastrula stages, a fetus is still so far removed from human that it cannot be considered human. If it is not human, it is not a crime to kill it.

How are you defining "human"? By what we look like? By what we can do? Our thoughts?

Humans are bipedal. They walk on two legs. Does that mean people born without legs are less human than those with?
Humans think in certain ways. Is a brain damaged human less human than a healthy one?

The only difference between a foetus and a 55 year old is TIME. T I M E. The foetus will not be anything other than human. Why is this so difficult to grasp? Our potential is what defines our race. What we are given perfect health and time. Humans live 70 - 90 years on average. Human hearts beat around 60 bpms.

The beauty of extreme sports like mountain climbing are that they have EXPANDED THE DEFINITION OF THE RACE. Humans can climb bare mountain walls with no tools. Given the right dedication, practice and time, any healthy human could do such a thing. POTENTIAL is such an exciting part of life.

I repeat, the only difference between a 5 year old and a 95 year old is time. The 5 year old could die in a year. Yet we know that should she live, she's suffer ageing like any other human.

The foetus will, given health and time be a child, and so is a human lifefore. A human being at early stages of development. A human in the larva stage. A human in the womb. It's not a difficult thing to comprehend. Open your mind a little to the concept of what human life is. Is a dead human, not called a deceased PERSON, a dead human? It is a human in an altered state of existence. No animus. TIME seperates it from any other human - going in reverse this time. Back in time it was the same as any other alive human. Alive. Breathing.

I saw you getting all upset about the bodies in fallujah desecrated. What should it matter to you. It's just dead meat right? They're no longer human. Not alive.

Or are they?

]Well, it was stated in an offensive way to invoke challenges. Nevertheless it is true. You certainly must agree that popping out a kid does not equal "parenting."

Parenting begins in the womb. Can you hear sound if you cover your ears? Babies hear everything, and absorb the mothers emotional state.

Along the same vein, why should you or I be posting at all? Regardless, I'm not saying labor is easy, I'm simply saying rearing the child is more important.

And yet without birth, there is no child to parent. Therefore, birthing is more important, for it is a PREREQUISITE to parenting.

No. But, I attribute my successes, however small they may be, in large part to good parenting -- which was my point.

All the parenting in the world would be nothing, if you were not born.

Again, irrelevant But, to rebu it, I bet I will wish I'd spent more time at work.

We'll have to wait and see.

[ 04-30-2004, 07:05 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]