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Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar:
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Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar:
Fine. What if there are twins? Triplets? Do two or three souls get crammed into the zygote? And this isn't tongue in cheek, I'm dead serious. Do they split off? What if they don't? What if there's a miscarriage or an abortion, what happens to the souls? Do they go to heaven, or are they reincarnated someplace else? I need to know what you think about these things before we can go further.
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So what? What has the soul got to do with anything? We are talking about human life, not whether there is a soul or not. You cannot ascertain when a soul is developed, so it's irrelevent speculation. You can however, pinpoint the start of human life, and that is when the egg is fertilised. SO from that point on, it is a human life form in various stages of development and realised potential.
A five year old girl has unrealised potential. Is she any less human that a 55 year old if she dies young?
A foetus is a human in an early stage of development. When it develops it will not be a monkey, a fish, a zebra or anything else, just as the five year old girl will not grow into a bat or viper. [/QUOTE]Ah, ah! But the soul is central to the debate! You are not human if you have no soul. "Human life" can't start without a soul. So the point where the soul enters the body is the point where a lump of flesh becomes a human. Hell, the entire abortion DEBATE is based on speculation over when a zygote becomes a human.
And I would like to hear your answers to my other questions. What happens when a woman miscarries? What happens to the real human if a woman aborts? Do they come back or don't they? [/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar:
Ah, ah! But the soul is central to the debate! You are not human if you have no soul. "Human life" can't start without a soul. So the point where the soul enters the body is the point where a lump of flesh becomes a human. Hell, the entire abortion DEBATE is based on speculation over when a zygote becomes a human.
And I would like to hear your answers to my other questions. What happens when a woman miscarries? What happens to the real human if a woman aborts? Do they come back or don't they?
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Discussion over the soul pertains to religious belief, and a persons faith will dictate their views on the soul. Discussion on human life is scientific, and relates to verifiable facts, not speculations.
A human is a human, whether you believe in souls or not. I believe in the human soul. I believe I have one, but it is irrelevent to the discussion of when life starts. I believe a monkey life starts at conception, just as cat, dog, human, fish or anything else that has eggs requiring fertilisation.
The soul is irrelevent to the discussion.
How many here believe they are human, but do not believe they have a soul?