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Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by johnny: The Mossad are terrorists ? wow..... you learn something new every day here.

It's known as state sponsored terrorism. How do you justify kidnapping in a foreign country? [/QUOTE]The goal of terrorism, is to inflict terror on a populace so that an end is met. Like a policy reversal, retreat, armistice etc.

You could call the bombing of London, a wartime terror tactic.

Going in and grabbing a person that has broken law is not terrorism, because the end is exactly the action taken - to get the person. There may be substancial results from such an action, but the INTENT is that a violator of law is brought to justice.

America did the same thing with Noriega, and now Hussein. To call all of this terrorism weakens the word, as it lumps in centuries of human actions in with the recent developments of the IRA, Al Qaeda, Hamas et al, which IMO should be isolatingly described. [/QUOTE]Yes it *IS* terrorism.
A law-abiding country would have issued an international arrest warrants for those that it wanted and followed extradition proceedings. Instead, it sent teams of murderers and kidnappers into sovereign democratic states on a trail of mayhem.

That is state-sponsored terrorism, as I'm sure Ahmed Bouchikhi's family and the government of Norway would agree. Indeed the Mossad agent (Michael Harari) who oversaw the murder supplied the terrorist Sudanese PLA with arms who then went on to kill thousands of people with them... But you don't consider that terrorism because the victims weren't your own?

Originally posted by Black Baron: According to you it is a fashistic (see our first debate when i only arrived here) state that harbours terrorists.

I didn't call it a facist state, I said that there were elements that were like a police state - ie the apartheid system, the racial laws and the gagging of political opponents.

Originally posted by Black Baron: Mossad kills terrorists. It is an organization much like CIA. You name them terrorists too. In fact every agency of that type is a terroristic organization. Well GRU was (CIA of USSR) a terroristic organization by your defenition. Why that one was and ours is not? Because it served a terroristic regime, and killed enemies of the state.

There is NO difference between the KGB and Mossad - both were/are bad and both served regimes that paid/pay scant regard to international laws (esp. in the area of human rights).

Originally posted by Black Baron: Unless you claim that executing the murderers of our sportsmen was a crime. Since that it is clear that this defenition is b*** ***t, because there is no "good" or "bad" terror, you are in a dead end. Skunk, you are biased against israel. I can hardly think about any other possibility.

Mossad came to MY HOME TOWN and engages in brutal murders without reference to my goverment or respecting the laws of MY COUNTRY. And you wonder why I am bothered by a state that sponsors terrorism in this manner and tramples over the laws of MY COUNTRY?
And no, MOSSAD did not execute the murders of the Munich massacre because no-one ever stood trial for the crime - they murdered innocent men, because none of them had been convicted of the crime or even been indited - including that norwegian waiter who was gunned down in front of his pregnant wife!