Barbaric or Civilized, people don't deserve anything, nothing in life is free. Rights and Deserves are not the same thing. By the actions one takes their deserves will find them out, but just by breathing you don't deserve anything, you just get the right to die that's IT.
Now what we need is the diffinition of barbaric and civilized, then we need to find out what gives the diffiner the right to make the destiction(sp?), and their diffinition the one we accept over somebody elses diffinition.
I have a diffintion, but due to the band on religious threads on the board I won't give it or why my diffinition should be accepted.
So now everybody is in the same boat, There is no universal diffinition of barbarism of civilization, just competting oppinions. How do we deal with these people, on the individual level we find out what their sense of honor is and use that to force them to change. Just like the U.S. military used their sense of honor in the war to make them come out and fight stupidly. ie: Used loud speakers to call the fighters women and cowards, so they came out in droves and were killed in droves.
Now we have to find out what actions will make them beholding to us, and take those actions, make them think they are in our debt and owe us something, according to their honor system. There is more then one way to skin a cat
