[Gab]

Originally posted by Oblivion437: quote: Originally posted by Gab: Interesting talk, but what I'm sick of hearing is this bulls*t about you losing your rights. In the hands of a crazy or retarded person, the gun is a nightmare!!

Us losing our rights isn't 'bullshit,' it's very, very real. Wouldn't a sturdy automotive vehicle be just as bad, if not worse in the hands of someone willing to cause harm? You're sick of the idea that self defense is a NATURAL right? That 'good' kings and 'benevolent' governments should never have the power to take it away? Don't you understand what's at stake? You would disarm those who have defended themselves with firearms, and that's just because YOU are afraid of them. You don't seem willing or able to understand how many people have been saved by firearms since they were invented. Nor do you seem to understand that governments kill far more people than citizens do, and screw up far more frequently, by percentage. The conservative estimate for the 20th century puts government murder of citizen figures at above 170 Million. Conservative figures on police killlings put accidental shootings up to 33%, and higher... Civilian shootings number at most in the thousands in a given year, across a hundred or so years, it's likely barely to get into 1/17 of what government killers do.

Sure you can kill someone with something else but face it, it's easier to kill dozens of people with a gun. It would be pretty hard to kill lots of people with a knife in just a few minutes. It would also be harder to flee or defend yourself if someone had a gun.

How often now, or ever, including the time of legal, free-access automatic weapons ownership (36 years in the US) have such killings taken place? Did a gun get used in ANY of them? Bombs are more problematic in the hands of those willing to cause trouble, and they make them out of common household and farm products, are you suggesting we ban these necessities of farming/living for the sake of stopping one or two wackos? Howsabout we ban knowledge of building bombs? Wait, aren't these impractical/impossible solutions to the problem?

Also, as in this case, the criminal had the initiative, and a gun was used to defend oneself. Would pepper spray have worked? Not likely, that stuff has been proven pretty ineffective... [/QUOTE]Do you understand what's at stake? Of course in your mind, it's a loss of your freedom. Do you accually think that there are no consequences for having gun ownership?? I couldn't give a shit about not owning a gun as I have no need for one as I'm no hunter or farmer. I also don't have this crazy belief that owning a gun is going to make me safe from criminals. Most don't even break into a house when there's someone home, anyways... Gun ownership sure doesn't prevent the incredibbly huge amount of crime in the United States. Not to mention that my country has very strict gun control and we have a much lower crime rate than the US.

Face it killing a person with a gun is just too easy. Why else do you think it was invented? If a guy is short and weak, he's going to have a much easier time killing someone with gun than with a knife or his fists. If someones stupid enough to trying killing people with a car (by running them over?), chances are he going to get into an accident.

Will you please quit using self defense killings? A homicide is a homocide no matter the reason!!!! Does the criminal's life mean nothing and it's okay to kill him?

Why should I talk about gun masscres in the United States only? There's been some very terrible ones in other countries before they introduced gun control.

[ 05-05-2004, 08:43 AM: Message edited by: Gab ]