[Oblivion437]

It's not Moore as a person that bothers me. I don't give a damn about Moore, and I've had the good taste to keep him out of it personally. I have examined his film, and I can only conclude that his arguments, drawn from faulty data collection methods and brought together by precision spin and fast-and-loose editing techniques that try to mislead the viewer, are not valid. Perhaps you'd care to compile concise, solid arguments based on reliable factual data in a totally open and honest way that I can reason with. Moore has not done this, but given the way you argue points, if in fact the argument is valid, I think you're capable of it.

I would never suggest 11,000 gun murders is a good thing, murder is a bad thing in general. Some people are really begging to die, but those people are so rare that their numbers aren't really countable. They do terrible things, and some put themselves in situations where they naturally incur the risk of dying. Such as burglars, bank robbers and hunters. If they die in the course of comitting these acts, as a result of the situation that they've brought upon themselves, they deserve no sympathy from us. They got what they deserved. Don't attempt to rape someone and then cry out for mercy when your lower jaw is broken by a .25 that passed through it on the way to your throat.

I suppose, if it would completely eliminate murders, I'd consider putting the ban on the table, but let me tell you, the potential detriment to freedom would likely win over it in the end, and if it were ultimately in my power, I'd reject the measure for the sake of entitling individuals to protect themselves.

Finally, I'm not inherently pro anything except pro-liberty. Nothing is so sweet and sacrosanct as freedom. It's one of the only causes that I an Atheist will die for. I believe that individuals keeping and being willing to bear upon their oppressors significant enough firepower to overthrow them is one of the most important and powerful vanguards of that liberty.