[Barry the Sprout]

NS - I only talk about Moore being a Communist as Cerek said one of the things he didn't like about him was the fact that he had no positive program. I was pointing out that he actually did, but for obvious reasons (reasons I disagree with but still obvious ones) he is a little reticient about talking openly about it.

I read the second of those two links and frankly wasn't all that impressed by their arguments. They claim that he is factually inaccurate, however they then merely state what he lies about with no supporting evidence to show they are correct. A good example is their claim that Moore lies about Bush's campaign funding - they just say that he is obviously lying and don't back that up with anything. Its understandable, although not ideal, that extensive factual sources aren't present in a documentary, but to miss them out of a web column dedicated to subverting spin is a bit daft. Or possibly just lazy, either way its not good.

Secondly they claim that he is contradicting himself on the issue of gun crime by not giving a complete answer. My point above applies here - Moore wants to lead people to the answer, not just shout it at them. My interpretation of the film was that he thought capitalism and the media were responsible, ultimately capitalism being behind the media's decisions. To say he is contradicting himself by calling for gun restrictions and also saying they're not the full answer is either laughably stupid or deliberately being obtuse in order to attack him. I too think gun restrictions are imperative, but they're not going to solve the issue of a high murder rate by themselves. They have to be part of a lot of reforms, and ultimately revoution in my mind (and Moore's too I think).

Phew... errr... hope all that makes sense. [img]smile.gif[/img]