[Barry the Sprout]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: quote: Bush is a hypocrite and thats what Moore is picking up on. Clinton was not a hypocrite in sleeping with Lewinski to my mind - maybe he shouldn't have done it but I don't think he was a hypocrite for doing it.

This is coming from a Clinton supporter:

1. Clinton was not hypocritical until he said, and I quote, "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman." This was perjury, and he paid the price.

2. To show Bush's hypocricy would require showing his belief was false, he knew it was false, and that he went ahead and stated it anyway. This can't be shown. We all basically tought Saddam had WMD. Heck the UN stated Saddam had WMD several several times. Saddam agreed to a cease fire in which he ADMITTED he had WMD and AFFIRMED he would get rid of them. He actually USED WMD on the Kurds (mustard gas). He NEVER showed proof of disarmament, and I for one was not willing to believe he pulled a bund of "secret disarmaments" and did not inform the UN -- particularly since he was wiley enough to call every news station on the planet when he made the piddly gesture of cutting up a few SCUDs in an attempt to avoid US invasion. In short, becuase it was a reasonable belief shared by many, no one will ever be able to prove Bush intentionally lied. There is a difference between a reasonable mistake and a lie.

I do get sick and frikking tired of repeating the same frikking argument. And I hope "frikking" is not one of the prohibited words. [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Timber you're getting mighty annoyed about having to repeat this argument but I have stated why I disagree with it. I don't think George Bush made an innocent mistake, I think he lied. Of course if he did just make a reasonable mistake then of course my argument falls down, but please don't assume that I don't know that. I've said before and I'll say again - I understand your argument. Now calm the hell down and come to terms with the fact that just because I don't agree with your conclusions doesn't mean I don't understand your argument.