[Oblivion437]

Gab, you've been arguing on semantics top to bottom the whole time, don't start demeaning my arguments...

The United States may be coming closer, but we've been slowly imposing controls on firearms ownership for 70 years.

You don't seem to know much about break-ins in general, and don't want to present your argument about how gun control can protect us from some perceived threat derived from common-ownership and education in the matter thereof as pertains to firearms. I shall thusly conclude that you don't want to believe society can protect itself, and would rather submit to the encroaching nanny state. Fine with me, retreat to the pods like the klone creature you desire to be, but you're going to be just as externally dependent upon the mercies of those around you to save you from such an existance that will yield nothing more than what those who control it will allow it to yield.

And, let's face it, could Stalin have murdered 20 million soviet citizens if most citizens carried arms? I think not. Also, you don't understand how in Canada, you're dependant, more heavily than I think you can understand, or will understand, upon others for your security. You don't seem to grasp the concept of how this is a threat to your freedoms and personal rights.

Also, we have as much right to any conventional weaponry as any other body of power. I don't view Nuclear weapons as conventional, and in fact feel that they're useless strategically speaking. The undeployable ordinance, and a means to rattle sabres among world powers.

You can't stand up to what I have to say, so you'll say, "we'll agree to disagree..."

Also, you don't seem to know much about fighting either. A man by the name of Jimmy "The Gent" Burke once beat a man to death with his bare hands, he was only 16 at the time and the guy he killed was an enforcer for an independent gangster. It was one of the few things he did outside of a prison at the time. He was only out a total of 86 days over a six year period, that being the first of those years. One time he grabbed a man by the tie and slammed his chin into a wooden table so hard both the guys jawbones shattered, and then he used a black jack to split the man's skull open. It took all of three seconds to kill the man this way. There was a fight in a bar in Chicago one time when Frank Rosenthal was a bookie for the bosses there, and a man was beaten so thoroughly in under a minute by a couple of men with their bare hands, that they destroyed his kidneys, the nervous connections to both his legs, and rendered him a deaf/mute cripple for the rest of his days. He died in a hospital years later. You'd be surprised how terrible one can be without any help or training. Wiseguys weren't really trained to fight, they just learned. These aren't great fighters, they're just plain vicious. They aren't alone, others possess an ability to do what they must, a psychological will that allows for violence, that encourages it. Anyone can sink to it, and the base, unhinged violence you're talking about predicates that a gun, or lack thereof, won't stop them or start them. Also, an abusive father or mother can quite easily beat their small children to death. And swinging a fist is a far more impulse driven act than pulling a gun, cocking it, flipping off the safety and then pulling the trigger.