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Originally posted by Yorick: You completely missed my point. The mp3 is not a SAMPLE, it is the ACTUAL PRODUCT. I am well aware of sampling products. I simply said, who offers something and then asks you to pay for it? How ludicrous would it be to ask Chewbacca to pay for the mp3 he downloaded now that he's heard it? It defys reason. Again, an mp3 is not a sample, it is the actual product. A sample would be one listen. Radio play for example is a sample. You don't own a copy of the product you can listen to at any time. When you purchase music, that is what you own. The ability to listen to it whenever you like. How was this point missed?

No, I didn't miss your point - you missed mine.
If I OWN the original and MAKE A COPY and PLAY IT TO A FRIEND, he does NOT own the product - he has recieved a sample.

Originally posted by Yorick: You again completely missed the point that live shows promote albums. Completely ignored it. Singles on radio give an act expose. More singles = more albums. When you go to see a big band, they play the whole album. Songs from old albums. Album sales are built on album tours. It's a plain truth. No secret.

No, once more, YOU have missed my point.
BEFORE you can use tours to albums, you must first PROMOTE yourself.

Organising a tour of the band that no-one has heard of is not going to make great record sales, is it. First there has to be exposure and when you are big enough, THEN the live shows and tours promote albums.

Originally posted by Yorick: Look, I am getting sick of this discussion. Either do your research on the way the industry has worked until now or stop posting on this subject. I am not here to educate you on how the industry has worked.

That's rather arrogant considering that you are hardly an international success yourself (let alone a national success). Perhaps I'm not the only one who needs to do some research?

Originally posted by Yorick: The argument that mp3 sharing leads to increased live work is irrelevent. The overwhelming majority of albums are NOT released to generate live work. Live work is done to promote albums. That is the way it has been for decades. Since artists were given royalties. Mp3 sharing is taking the PRODUCT. There is no point in me doing a tour of Ecuador to promote something anyone who has heard of me already owns. Ludicrous.

That's very true - but I never stated that so I'm not sure why you brought it up. My point was with regards to COPYING CD's/converting to MP3 by someone who BOUGHT the album for their own private purposes without the intention of handing copied material to others.

Another of my points that you missed?

Originally posted by Yorick: Think about it. International tours are few and far between in Australia because there are not enough record sales in Australia for a touring act to justify touring there.

Because the lack of a fair-use copying clause is stunting sales. I know, I know. It was the point that I was making.

Originally posted by Yorick: The Australian artist competes - in their own country - against product from America and England, that has vast amounts of money behind it. When I brought out my first record, it was taken to radio. At the same time, the same record company were taking U2s Actung Baby to radio, and Brian Adams "Waking up the Neighbours". Other companies and other artists were releasing product at the same time.

So U2 were just born big and there were no other big bands around at the time when they started out? One day Bono just wrote a song and 2 billion people bought it? I can assure that was not the case - and that taping albums for personal use did not harm his sales or the growth of U2.
Irish artists also compete against US and British bands and have EVEN Smaller record sales than in Austrailia.

Originally posted by Yorick: Australian music simply doesn't have the market, hence the dollars, to generate anything near the publicity a record made offshore does.

Exactly my point. Exposure under the Austrailian system can only be achieved with BIG BUCKS (unlike in Ireland).

Originally posted by Yorick: I have had my car broken into. I have had CDs stolen. CDs are valuable yes. The answer? 1. Don't keep your collection in your car. 2. Keep a small amount of CDs you are listening to in your car. 3. Get the collection insured.

Or in other words:
No-one should ever be exposed to a band that is NOT owned by a large corporation and we should all DO OUR BEST to keep the exposure of small bands down to a minimum (we wouldn't want anyone to hear a sample of a small band because that could lead to people buying records or going to concerts).

By the way, getting a CD collection insured in Europe is like trying to get insured against acts of terrorism - prohibitively expense if you can find a willing insurer.