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Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar:
[QB] Yes, it's hypocritical of me to feel this way. Yes, I admit it.
But people don't CHOOSE to be gay, Yorick. They're that way for reasons nobody really understands.
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Except people who've studied the situation, couselled gays, come out of the lifestyle, or are able to look at hard truths without fearing labels being thrown at them.
Many people understand why individuals are the way they are. You are making out like homosexuals are these mysterious "other humans" that no-one understands.
That is certainly not the case. Try having commited relationships with a couple, as I have, and then tell me you "don't understand".
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Do you truly believe that one day, a guy might wake up, in his early teens perhaps, and say to himself, "You know what? I think I'd like to condemn myself to a lifetime full of being the subject of hatred, confusion, and prejudice. I want to limit my romantic possibilities. I want people to try to 'save' me. I WANT TO BE GAY!"
No. Sorry. Doesn't happen.
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Of course not. That is not what I mean when I say sexuality is a choice. You've oversimplified and misunderstood the entire notion of choosing sexuality.
Does a happily married man wake up one day and say "You know what? I'd like to condemn myself to destroying my kids lives, my wifes life and live a period of deception, lies, self disgust and heartache by having an affair today."
That doesn't happen either.
The choices involved in choosing hetrosexuality or homosexuality, choosing faithfulness or affairs, celibacy or swinging, are subtle combinations of reaction decisions, decisions about which thoughts to entertain, decisions about which actions to move towards.
Spiritwalker, you contradicted yourself. You said you disagree that people choose their sexuality, then say most men entertain gay notions at some point.
People who end up homosexual are ones that choose for watever reason (they are myriad) to entertain those thoughts. Ones who choose hetrosexuality get rid of them.
In the nature vs nurture debate (there is none, it's a combination) of course some people will have greater tendencies than others. Just as some kids are born with drug addictions they fight all their life for example. We all have strengths and weaknesses and predispositions. All that means is some choices are harder to make than others, not that the choices are nonexistent.
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The only reason... the only reason!... that a homosexual might want to become heterosexual is because of society. That's all. If people didn't hate and misunderstand and condemn homosexuals, they'd be HAPPY with the way they are!
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Pre-industrial revolution, the only way for a person to have a child would be with a woman. Having sex with a woman, to the point of being able to father her child makes the person hetrosexual. That is such a scenario in which a person may make the choice. Feeling that they want to create a child that is half them, half their lover.
In any case, I'm not condemning a homosexual. A person who decides to help a homosexual change desire is not condemning them either. I love and accept gays, welcome them in my church whether they're practicing or not. Love a person, and accepting their actions into your own behavioural choices are very different things.