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Old 02-04-2004, 12:58 PM   #30
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Originally posted by Yorick:
So who created Montana or Nevada, and why are they deemed "States"? Why were the Carolinas and Dakotas made seperate states?
As for who created the Western States, the already established United States acquired the teritory through various means (land deals, Manifest Destiny aka Imperialism, and such). Enough people settled the territory, they pettioned for Statehood and formal boundries were set. As to why a North and South version, no clue. For the Carolinas it had to do with colonization terms, but I don't know what they are.

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Originally posted by Yorick:
In short, what body, what entity created these states? Did they originate organically, with self determination, like say France or Holland or other such states of the "United States of Europe" (as some want it named) or were they infact created by the federal government.
The original 13 Colonies were separate entities granted under various deals under Brittttish rule. The Federal Government never created the 13. After booting Britain, the first American government was established under the Articles of Confederation. It did not work out and lasted only 6 years. The State then got together to create The United States as now established under the Constitution. The Federal Government owes it's existance to the States, not the other way around.

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Originally posted by Yorick:
If when the British government was removed, was there in fact a central leadership you would call a federal government of any sort? If so, did this create the states, and if so wouldn't the states owe their existence to the collective and greater body?
See above.

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Originally posted by Yorick:
Additionally by what right were these states created if they were replacing Amerindian nations? Did Amerindians have a voice in their creation, and can they secede from anything?
The numerous dealing with the natives of this continent are too long to address for the ?s you proposed. The land was obtained through both fair (William Penn) and unfair means. Some fair deals were even broken outright years later. Needless to say, after 300+ years, the Natives are a subjugated and assimilated people. While some Nations still retain Sovernty they are islands in the sea of The United States.
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