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Old 01-19-2004, 12:30 PM   #18
Cerek the Barbaric
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Quote:
Originally posted by Donut:
I hardly need to tell you that none of this is more important than freedom.
quote:
Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric:
Is it really, Donut?
Yes, yes, yes - a thousand times yes.

Was it better to live under communist rule in Russia, where everyone had a job and food?

Remember the old saying: "I'd rather be dead than red!"? [/QUOTE]Yes, I remember that saying. However, I don't remember it being quoted by 13-15 yr olds. In fact, I don't remember it being said by Russians at all. Rather, it was a rallying cry among Russia's Cold War opponents.

I also don't remember everyone having a job and food under communist rule in Russia. I remember those in power having plenty, but I also remember the common citizens struggling to survive, laboring all day for very little pay, and standing in line for hours just to get their appropriate rations of bread, eggs, and other staple food. It was hardly the Utopian existence your comment suggests, and it took decades of this unequal distribution of wealth in Russia to lead to the overthrow of communism.

Also, the threat of imprisonment under Communist Russia was just a bit more frightening than at Gitmo. Since the gov't could grab anyone at anytime for any reason and kill them without any repurcussions. I realize the detainees at Guantanamo have also been held without any reason being given - and I oppose that. HOWEVER, NONE of the detainees have been subjected to physical torture or the threat of immediate execution for failure to cooperate. They also were not "grabbed for no reason" in the first place. They were CAPTURED during military combat and have received the treatment owed them by that status.

So I'm afraid your comparison of Guatanomo to Communist Russia falls short in several areas.
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