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Old 01-07-2004, 02:28 PM   #6
Timber Loftis
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Join Date: July 11, 2002
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On demand:

http://www.repealnow.com/minutes.htm -- it mentions at least 2 citizens and hints at 44 others. I think it's a bit dated, though.

Here's the IWF thread where we discussed the San Francisco court's ruling on Guantanamo.

Just so you know it, non-citizens get SOME, but not all of the constitutional rights. In fact, there are rights that are considered BASIC to all just legal systems. I'd say some no one can argue with are: (1) tell the person what they're accused of, (2) quickly bring them to a trial of some sort, (3) provide them an adequate legal counsel.

The administration is actually denying habeas corpus. Habeas corpus, or "produce the body," is the basic demand to the government that you would make, say, if your wife suddenly was taken to never return. In essence it says "at least show me the person so I know you haven't cut them up on a whimsy and fed them to your ducks."

Denying these basic rights is BAAAAD. Look, let us assume President Bush is a benevolent Mother Theresa wearing an Oxxford suit and Hickey Freeman tie. I'll go there for a moment for argument's sake. However, we cannot know the next guy in office will not be a Juan Peron wannabe scoundrel who starts using the Patriot Act to "disappear" detractors.

Oh, and Congress is currently considering removing the expiration date on the Patriot Act, making it permanent.

[ 01-07-2004, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]
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