[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by MagiK: Im not making this about you.

Your entire first post is a giant ad hominem with a question stuck at the end. Your second post has a few more ad hominens as well. I will document some of them for you here shortly

Originally posted by MagiK: PS. If you really feel that I was distorting your post please PM me with exact references and how you see it as a distortion. Also, if you feel I am being unfair in this thread..all you have to do is ask me not to respond to your threads or posts and I will comply.

You can certainly read your own words here that were posted publicly. You made these statements so you have the burden of proof for these statements, I will comment after each one:

Yeah, you don't want them to do anything to try and stop terrorists, you just want to bitch about them not doing anything

I can't tell if you are just using sarcasm here or making an ad hominem using reverse sarcasm.

By your own posts, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. There is absolutely no way to win for them.

Provide documentation for all these posts you mention where I have stated there is no way for them to win and that they damned if they do damned if they dont.
Also explain what that has to do with original article posted in this topic.

do you just like to complain about things or do you actually have some constructive ideas to be implemented.

This is quite clearly about me and not the news article that is the foundation for this topic. Another ad hominem.

Im not twisting anything about your post....you complained

Actually you are twisting something right there again. I wasn't complaining, I used sarcasm as opening comments on a news article. Here are my exact words:

"Oh man, I guess I will have to memorize the travel almanac for my next vacation. I sure won't be holding an Almanac in my hand the next time I "observe" a historic landmark or other place of notable interest."

You started with the ad hominem attacks I have documented after this. If you would have merely asked your question and/or merely commented on the news article I would have no issues with your posts in this thread. Discussing the issue of profiling or other investigative alternatives is fine as well as the topic that the news article is about. Recent expiriences have taught me that the lowest form of discourse is making personal snipes at a poster rather than discussing the topic at hand.

I expect personal snipes to end or to get the attention of moderators
The rules clearly state:

"While in a debate, or have a difference of opinion, please do not take it as an attack. We will close accounts of people that attack others, be it in a subtle way, or a deliberate loud way." and "Be Responsible: Do not post slanderous, libelous or any defamatory statements on the Ironworks Gaming Forum, we will not be held responsible for your posts, but just the same, we'd rather not go there! Posts that appear to be defamatory should have supporting references included."

and this from Memnoch's fair play thread at the top of the forum:

"We don't want spitefulness, we don't want pettiness. We don't want people starting fights, trying to get other people banned by flamebaiting, and getting personal with each other, or carrying on little petty niggling fights with each other, or getting offended at every little thing to try and get people they don't like banned. We're smarter than that, fellas."

Recently folks have gotten away with calling me anti-this and resentful-of- that both here and elsewhere simply becasue I held a different opinion or expressed that opinion in way they didn't like.

Perhaps your suggestions that I don't support the efforts of law enforcement to stop terrorists and that all I do is complain and not offer solutions is poorly timed and maybe ill-advised as well.

I dont mind having mindful discourse about the topics at hand. like the news article that was posted. But clearly making personal snipes and using ad hominem debate tactics and making defamatory implications violates the forums rules. Perhaps you haven't broken any of these rule and you have just skated close. Maybe I am just a bit over sensitive becasue of recent events?

I do know that if I get anymore "You are this, Your posts, You only do this" type posts I will ask for moderation and clarification of the forum rules with regards to making topics too personal.

Besides- making it personal takes the fun out of having discussions. Who can learn from divergent veiwpoints and new perspectives if the discussion consists of "you are this and you are that"?

Take Care,
Chewy