[LordKathen]

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by LordKathen: You hit it right on the head Yorick. You are an absolute idealist. I am a realist. I live in the NOW. Violence has evolved from the begining of human evolution. It is our nature to do whatever we need to do to survive. Living in a society is what has made it a crime to steal or even kill. We have needed laws (morals) to progress as a society, and being social creatures have allowed that. So therefore, in my opinion, living and relying on laws to "guild" my life in society, I accept all laws. And am thankfull that there is ultimate punishment for the ultimate crime. Granted, people make mistakes, (even lawyers ) I dont think we should take the chance with those that are guilty. Otherwise it will be utter chaos, or Iraq.

Being an idealist doesn't mean you don't live in the now. It means you live in the now, have a vision for the future and learn from the past. Balance.

Being a realist means the same thing. I just see what is obtainable. This does'nt mean I dont wish things we're different in the world, I just dont waste my time trying to change what has taken nature millions of years to accomplish. Human nature.

In terms of social evolution, we have evolved from lawlessness to the current values we have. The creationist view is that we've descended into lawlessness. Given either, social evolution still stands, and the above post of mine iterated the removal of cannibalism, polygamy, incest and other elements as we've progressed socially.

Let me repeat:
"We have needed laws (morals) to progress as a society, and being social creatures have allowed that. So therefore, in my opinion, living and relying on laws to "guild" my life in society, I accept all laws. And am thankfull that there is ultimate punishment for the ultimate crime".

When we "descend" into violence, we most imitate the animal world. Regression. Instinct overrides concious will. Short term satifaction overrides long term planning. Yet conscious will and longer term planning are part of what seperates us from the animal kingdom. Both are what lead us into society with it's survival benefits in the first place. Violence against it's own kind, is what ostracises and isolates an individual human, which ultimately removes it's evolutionary superiority. Society.

Well, I think your wrong. We are just animals that evolved bigger brains and have adapted to our envirements and thus created social law to get along, to evolve further.
We are entering that whole other area now Yorick, and I dont wish to derail the thread. If its going to be a debate on capital punishment, lets keep it at that. Bygons...


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[ 11-29-2003, 05:54 AM: Message edited by: LordKathen ]