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Pikachu_PM · 11-28-2003, 02:59 PM

To Yorick:

It is insulting because as I read your thoughts I see you talking about an 'ideal' or talking about something we should implement in the world as it is today. If you are talking about it as an 'ideal' I find it (mildy) insulting simply because I think anybody on this thread would agree that such a world would be 'ideal', and to bring it up is kinda to imply otherwise. And the 'ideal' world I am envisioning is ideal because there would be no need for Euthenasia because there would be no cancer...no need for the death penalty becaues there would be no murderers...etc

I am leaning towards reading your statements as a manner of behavior we should implement into society now. Simply put...it's just not possible, and placing such simplistic rules on such complex issues is almost immoral in its own way (I go back to the concept of making a cancer patient suffer because there is "NO Euthenasia").

You mentioned that if someone were to break into your house you shouldn't have to worry about them killing you..and therefore having the need to 'self-defend' yourself with a gun.

Well...a) if we could make that happen, how come we couldn't stop burglary all together?

b) People are what they are...and think for themselves. It doesn't matter how many people stand up and sanctify life, there will always be ppl (at least for the next long while in human evolution) who will kill for profit and/or fun. I don't think many serial killers worry much about the 'sanctity' of life. I cannot read minds...how do I know that the burglar in my house won't kill or harm my family and I? Even if no murder has happened in the last 20 years, how can I be certain this guy isn't a nutcase? And thats an extereme example. Life IS sacred, but there are many people out there who believe it is not...and until their minds are changed the world will be what it is. More to the point, your still avoiding the cancer patient/No Euthenasia example...you can't live by ideals in an unideal world.

[ 11-28-2003, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: Pikachu_PM ]

11-28-2003, 02:59 PM	#32
Pikachu_PM The Magister Join Date: October 5, 2003 Location: OBX NC Age: 46 Posts: 122	To Yorick: It is insulting because as I read your thoughts I see you talking about an 'ideal' or talking about something we should implement in the world as it is today. If you are talking about it as an 'ideal' I find it (mildy) insulting simply because I think anybody on this thread would agree that such a world would be 'ideal', and to bring it up is kinda to imply otherwise. And the 'ideal' world I am envisioning is ideal because there would be no need for Euthenasia because there would be no cancer...no need for the death penalty becaues there would be no murderers...etc I am leaning towards reading your statements as a manner of behavior we should implement into society now. Simply put...it's just not possible, and placing such simplistic rules on such complex issues is almost immoral in its own way (I go back to the concept of making a cancer patient suffer because there is "NO Euthenasia"). You mentioned that if someone were to break into your house you shouldn't have to worry about them killing you..and therefore having the need to 'self-defend' yourself with a gun. Well...a) if we could make that happen, how come we couldn't stop burglary all together? b) People are what they are...and think for themselves. It doesn't matter how many people stand up and sanctify life, there will always be ppl (at least for the next long while in human evolution) who will kill for profit and/or fun. I don't think many serial killers worry much about the 'sanctity' of life. I cannot read minds...how do I know that the burglar in my house won't kill or harm my family and I? Even if no murder has happened in the last 20 years, how can I be certain this guy isn't a nutcase? And thats an extereme example. Life IS sacred, but there are many people out there who believe it is not...and until their minds are changed the world will be what it is. More to the point, your still avoiding the cancer patient/No Euthenasia example...you can't live by ideals in an unideal world. [ 11-28-2003, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: Pikachu_PM ] __________________ This is where my signature is