[Luvian]

Originally posted by sultan: "you can put a man in prison, but you cant make him think" parent: what have you done?! go to your room and think about this! child: uh, let's see, i've got books, and tv, and i have time to exercise, dont have to do chores... yeah, okay, i'll go to my room! you really showed me! parent: i just cant understand why i cant get through to him! sorry, gab, but do you really believe that? cuz 1) it aint a deterrent, B) it means the criminal gets off better than the victim, and III) society foots the bill for their holiday. do you call that justice?

Come on, there is a big difference between being isolated in am empty small cell with no human contact for 50 years and being grounded in your room for a night by your mother...