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Pikachu_PM · 11-26-2003, 12:51 PM

Wow, I can't believe I missed this...

"Your insight is truly amazing. Can you do card tricks, too?"

As a matter of fact...yes.

"You may want to rethink your strategy because you didn't prove anything to anyone except yourself, and since you were already on your side, that was a given wasn't it? Impressing one's self isn't really all that impressive a talent.

Twice as long to actually discuss it? Maybe, but then you may have actually made your point. Of course entertainment was listed first in your list, so I'll assume that is what was most important to you in your posts. "

Oh Really? Perhaps if you actually read and understood the point of my post you'd come to your senses. What have I said thus Far? That traditional media is biased slightly to the left and that is bad. That FOX Leans heavily to the right and that is very very bad. What of this do you not agree with? In fact, from what you're written you do agree with me and are currently just arguing petty points to come off looking 'right'.

"I'm confused, I thought you had me figured out. What's with the questions?

A lot of Americans do see Fox, millions in fact, but I have to believe only a tiny portion of those don't know Fox for what it is. The real point is that 50 times the number of viewers who watch Fox watch the mainstream media. 50 times the actual viewer ship! The mainstream’s leaning is MORE difficult for the average Joe to detect because it isn't so overt as Fox's.

Hmmm... political leanings that are more difficult to detect, reaches many, many more people, and is excused as being acceptable. Nope, that doesn't sound too bad.

I guess the one thing we can agree on is the fact that leaning the news is wrong, but I also guess we'll have to differ on even the nuances of that since I see it ALL as wrong without having to make any excuses or exceptions for either side...

Of course, you knew I'd say all that, but I figured I'd type it out so everyone else could further enjoy your prognosticative powers. "

Wow, you REALLY took a comment and have spinned it in a totally new direction...you should apply for a job at FOX! When did I say I had you 'all figured out' or 'knew everything about you'? ALl I said was that based off your initial post I could logically deduce where your argument was going. Your more recent post have shown me I was right...I could very well have been wrong.

There was a study done awhile back about media influences on politcal voting that would cement this debate...I only wish I could remember all the details. Its a sad thing to know my facts but not know my sources (I can already smell your sarcastic comments). Essentially, what I gather from YOUR statement is that it's ok for FOX to manipulate people because traditional media is slighly biased and reaches more viewers. You go further to assume that the people who watch FOX know it's manipulative...thats a rather naive statment.

Traditional news outlets are what they are because we've given them the duty of becoming government watch dogs...a duty they are entirley unqualified to handle. More to the point, because of this they have a tendency to lean in the opposite direction of whatever political party is currently in the executive office. Republicans have been in office for most of the last 2-3 decades and hence part of the perception that the media is left winged (remember the Clinton administration...how left winged did the media seem then?)

I'm not saying thats 'ok', i'm just saying tha that at least the bias isn't intentional and is a result of the media attempting to keep the government honest. You can say what you want...but there is a line between being biased and being manipuative, and FOX has crossed that line by several hundred steps. Oh, and the real argument would be if I would feel the same way if FOX was manipulative to the left...and the answer would be 'yes'. Believe it or not, I'm actually turning into a Republican...maybe I've been watching too much FOX news.
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Pikachu_PM The Magister Join Date: October 5, 2003 Location: OBX NC Age: 46 Posts: 122	Wow, I can't believe I missed this... "Your insight is truly amazing. Can you do card tricks, too?" As a matter of fact...yes. "You may want to rethink your strategy because you didn't prove anything to anyone except yourself, and since you were already on your side, that was a given wasn't it? Impressing one's self isn't really all that impressive a talent. Twice as long to actually discuss it? Maybe, but then you may have actually made your point. Of course entertainment was listed first in your list, so I'll assume that is what was most important to you in your posts. " Oh Really? Perhaps if you actually read and understood the point of my post you'd come to your senses. What have I said thus Far? That traditional media is biased slightly to the left and that is bad. That FOX Leans heavily to the right and that is very very bad. What of this do you not agree with? In fact, from what you're written you do agree with me and are currently just arguing petty points to come off looking 'right'. "I'm confused, I thought you had me figured out. What's with the questions? A lot of Americans do see Fox, millions in fact, but I have to believe only a tiny portion of those don't know Fox for what it is. The real point is that 50 times the number of viewers who watch Fox watch the mainstream media. 50 times the actual viewer ship! The mainstream’s leaning is MORE difficult for the average Joe to detect because it isn't so overt as Fox's. Hmmm... political leanings that are more difficult to detect, reaches many, many more people, and is excused as being acceptable. Nope, that doesn't sound too bad. I guess the one thing we can agree on is the fact that leaning the news is wrong, but I also guess we'll have to differ on even the nuances of that since I see it ALL as wrong without having to make any excuses or exceptions for either side... Of course, you knew I'd say all that, but I figured I'd type it out so everyone else could further enjoy your prognosticative powers. " Wow, you REALLY took a comment and have spinned it in a totally new direction...you should apply for a job at FOX! When did I say I had you 'all figured out' or 'knew everything about you'? ALl I said was that based off your initial post I could logically deduce where your argument was going. Your more recent post have shown me I was right...I could very well have been wrong. There was a study done awhile back about media influences on politcal voting that would cement this debate...I only wish I could remember all the details. Its a sad thing to know my facts but not know my sources (I can already smell your sarcastic comments). Essentially, what I gather from YOUR statement is that it's ok for FOX to manipulate people because traditional media is slighly biased and reaches more viewers. You go further to assume that the people who watch FOX know it's manipulative...thats a rather naive statment. Traditional news outlets are what they are because we've given them the duty of becoming government watch dogs...a duty they are entirley unqualified to handle. More to the point, because of this they have a tendency to lean in the opposite direction of whatever political party is currently in the executive office. Republicans have been in office for most of the last 2-3 decades and hence part of the perception that the media is left winged (remember the Clinton administration...how left winged did the media seem then?) I'm not saying thats 'ok', i'm just saying tha that at least the bias isn't intentional and is a result of the media attempting to keep the government honest. You can say what you want...but there is a line between being biased and being manipuative, and FOX has crossed that line by several hundred steps. Oh, and the real argument would be if I would feel the same way if FOX was manipulative to the left...and the answer would be 'yes'. Believe it or not, I'm actually turning into a Republican...maybe I've been watching too much FOX news. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ 11-26-2003, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: Pikachu_PM ] __________________ This is where my signature is