[Azred]

Originally posted by sultan: quote: Originally posted by Azred: All national leaders lie; this is simply part of life with politics.

i'll repeat what i said to djinn last night: does that make it right? cant the world's most powerful nation ever leave behind a legacy that's better than that?[/QUOTE]No, it doesn't make it right. However, the situation is not likely to change in the near future; for now we must simply accept things as they are and try to bring about better choices.

Originally posted by Sultan: oh, i'm with you there [an uninformed American populace]. when i first left the states just for a two week holiday, i was shocked at how little i knew about the world. it was even more shocking when i talked to people about it, and discovered just what i was like before i started getting to know the world.

All college graduates should live for a year outside the Continental US, even if they move every other month (which wouldn't be a bad idea). This will really round out their education.

Originally posted by Sultan: even if it was necessary (and i dont agree it was), that would sanction unprovoked agression. gulf war 1 and ww2 started that way, and countless other wars that we entered to stop just such tyranny. now that we're on the other side, we've changed the standards? hypocrisy aside, surely we should hold ourselves to higher standards of behaviour.

Yes, we should...but I cannot fight that particular battle alone. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Timber Lofits: Actually, Azred, we don't disagree so much nowadays.

Yes, we do. So there. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]