[LordKathen]

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Link: I was wondering: what do you think about all the atheists in the world, Yorick? Are they infidels, or are they rather people who have chosen not to believe in God? IIRC, God gave mankind the option to choose for him, or not (with no consequences) Just a short question, nothing more

What is an infidel? I think you have me confused with a Wahabist Muslim.

I see atheism as a remarkably arrogant position. It presumes that a mere human who inhabits a few decades on a small planet in the corner of the universe can extend their knowledge throughout the entirety of space and time and declare with certainty that there is no God. In the process completely overriding the reality of other humans who will die rather than refute their knowledge of God.

As I have said before, all you can say is "I have not experienced this" not "this does not exist". In saying "I know God" I am not devalidating your statement "I do not know God".

I find agnosticism a much more open minded and reasonable position.

I am agnostic concerning the existence of alien life for example. I find no compelling evidence that allows me to believe they do exist, but I'm not so arrogant as to extend my experience of reality into parts of the universe I have no knowledge of.

As for a charge that it's egotistical to expect the creator of the universe would come down as a human and die for me personally... well that's the beauty of it. God can do what he wants. The idea is at once humbling and esteem building at the same time. [/QUOTE]Yet, I am not just saying god does not exist. I am saying that supernaturalality does not exist, and basing that on imperical science. There is a diferance. There are scientist who do believe in god and have vast knowledge of science, granted. But to me, it is not logical to combine the two. One explains the anomaly of the other. The simple fact that there is legend after "factual" legend, and stories and myths and writings, etc. throughout time, just confirms to me that the human imagination has evolved right along with the brain. The earliest hominids, having a quarter the brain we have today, needed to "explain" that bright light streaking across the sky. And while they we're at it explain all those little sparkly lights in the sky. And fire, whoooaa! And lightning... you get my point. Meanwhile some came along with enough cleverness to "explain" these happenings to the clan and gain power. Thus started religion. To use psychological experiences to "proove" experience with god, does not sell me. Have you actually seen god? Talked to god? Touched god, physicaly? Untill this happens all you're experiencing is the very powerfull mind at work.
To you, Yorick, I am arrogant to say this is it. Thats fine, but I will not spend my only life having "faith" in the supernatural.