[Faceman]

Originally posted by Yorick: Faceman, I respect you bro, but you've got to elaborate on that generalisation there. Which nations and what are the movements called? The KKK is an American problem. Sure racism is a global issue but Christianity connects races.

When I'm talking right I'm talking conservatives, not nationalists/racists. I'm talking about capitalistic, conservative only slightly national "burgeouise" guys and there's plenty of them in Europe's conservative parties. However I will agree that neither of these parties is as "right-winged" (which IS a fuzzy term) as the American Republicans for example.

Hitler's religious ideals very very strange indeed. Nazism was founded on an anti-Christian theology deifying the Arian race in a bizzarre spiritual purpose. Considering Jesus was Jewish, hatred of the Jews is also not in alignment with Christianity for as the bible says : Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Though I never mentioned anti-semitism in my posts it IS a main issue. You will find a lot of conservative Catholics here in Europe (especially here in Austria) who still believe that "the Jews murdered Christ". I know this is nonsense and you know this is nonsense, but they don't (want to). Anti-Semitism still ranks high among Catholic fraternities in Austria for example, that's where I first saw the disgusting habit of placing your beermug on the table after clinking and before drinking with the words "Ka Jud am Tisch" (= no Jew on this table).

Considering the west is Europe, North America and Australia, and that European rightism has been centred around Fascism and Nazism, I find it hard to see how you justify that claim.

European rightism has only been centered around fascism/nazism during WWII. Before and afterwards it consisted of nationalists and conservative Christians (which is the discussable European equivalent to the discussed "Religious Right"). Hitler and Mussolini certainly were anti-Catholic, but they also were Socialists in their programs, so they of course apprehended the already atheist working class (Marxism remember?) while appeasing and (at first) going easy on the Catholic upper class. Hitler even coaxed an Austrian Kardinal into writing a pastoral letter approving of the "Anschluss". Nazism/Fascism is nearly dead in Europe nowadays and the right again consists of Conservatives and Nationalists.

Firstly, the main Church in Russia was the ORTHODOX Church, not the Roman Catholic church as you described in your post about Communist reactions against the Church. There is a substancial difference.

I was talking about Marxism, an ideology which arose in 19th century Germany. You are talking about Communism, a form of government based on that ideology which was established in Russia 1917. To compare Marxism and Communism is about as fair as comparing Catholicism with the profane bishops of medieval Europe. Opposing religion was founded in early Marxism already and only taken over by the Communists.

Secondly, you dumped pro-abortion and anti-death penalty on the atheist left, and anti-abortion pro-death penalty oin the so-called Christian right. I am left wing, Christian and ANTI -abortion and ANTI - death penalty. Most christians I personally know are anti-death penalty. This shows the ludicrous of the camps you're describing. The idealogy I'm espousing could be "Enhance life's value". Get rid of the cheapness abortion and the death penalty give to human life. A persons politics should not be confused with their faith. Let's get rid of the term "Christian right" as it is completely incorrect. Let's be accurate when we speak of Christian extremism, and refer to Christians taking Christianity to the extreme, rather than ignoring it. The words have meaning and value. Yes it means we must know more about peoples beliefs, but isn't knowledge a good thing? Why perpetuate ignorance, error and misconception?

That was the whole point! I am also proLife on noth issues, but like I said TRUE Christians seldomly get heard because MODEST people are'nt on TV every day.