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Originally posted by Skunk:
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Originally posted by Yorick:
I reached a conclusion about your understanding given the nature of your arguing. I could quite obviously be wrong, by I described what my criterea for assessing and reaching a conclusion was. What the "substance" was if you like.
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Yorick, you are in effect stating that because I reached a different conclusion to you, I could not have studied the material involved - despite the fact that I have already stated that I had done.
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Even now, you are yet to post an alternate interpretation of the passages.
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A proper answer would require not only the quotation of verses, but also the context, mainstream interpretations and historical perspectives.
But this is a public forum - not a bible or Qu'ran class and a 5,000 word hermeneutical answer would be interminable for the majority of readers.
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Originally posted by Yorick:
I have read the dissertations of those who advocate a solely spiritual interpretation, and I don't buy it when I then read the qu'ran. Obviously, neither do the Osama Bin Ladens or Yasser Arafats of the world. Nor the mothers of Hamas suicide bombers.
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And now you have moved from disparaging my charactor to vituperating Islam.
Do the beliefs of the KKK represent the mainstream views of Christians? Go to their websites (I will *not* link racist material) and you will find that they justify their actions with bible verses. This man also believed that he was upholding Christian doctrine - and isn't short of a bible verse or two either. No-one with the slightest knowledge of Christian doctrine believes that they are acting according to the mainstream interpretation of their faith - to claim otherwise would be offensive to most Christians.
Perhaps you should consider how offensive your statement was towards Islam.
In any event, until you apologise for your unfounded vilification of Islam and for disparaging me, I see no reason to continue any further dialogue with you in this or other threads. [/QUOTE]I have repeatedly stated that a person committing even self defense goes AGAINST Jesus example and teaching, and that a person commiting violence of the OFFENSE is following Muhammads life example, whether or not the teaching is limited to a spiritual context or not.
Comparing the action of the follower with the source material they claim to follow is the sure way to ascertain if they practice what they preach. Otherwise I could walk around calling myself a Buddhist... no really I am. I don't follow Buddha, don't believe in pantheism, nor reincarnation, nor Nirvana. I support war and achieving goals through violence. I don't advocate detatchment, in fact I advocate hedonism and hoarding possessions.
But I'm still Buddhist!!! Yeah!
Or... perhaps I am an atheist. But I believe in God.. that's right, a creator... but I'm an atheist!
Or maybe I am really a Muslim!! I follow Muhammad Ali, and believe that boxing is the key to salvation! Parkinsons disease is actually a higher state of conciousness! The Prophet David Koresh was Muhammad Ali in idiot form. I love them both because I am a good Muslim-Atheist-Buddhist!!
Chaos! Chaos! What are we to do?!!
***READ THE SOURCE THE PERSON CLAIMS TO FOLLOW.***
A Christian murdering in the name of Jesus is doing nothing of the sort.
A Muslim waging war in the manner Muhammad did, IS doing so.