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Originally posted by Chewbacca:
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Originally posted by Yorick:
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Originally posted by Chewbacca:
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Originally posted by Yorick:
Death removes that possibility.
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The truth of this is relevant to an individual's beliefs.
Some, like I do, believe loved ones can choose to stay spiritually 'close-by' after death and are always 'reachable' in both thought and prayer.
Not that I am trying to bash anyone over the head with my beliefs.
[/QUOTE]Now that's just being pedantic and presenting a belief-dependent argument. The truth of it is not relevent to a persons beliefs at all. You cannot have a child for example. You cannot cook each others meals, spend nights holding each other in the same bed. After estrangement there is always the possibility such activities could resume with reconcilliation. Death leaves no hope of that.
You are being ridiculous. For what end I know not. [/QUOTE]I dont know how I am being "pedantic" or "ridiculous", but I do know that any discussion of what is and is not possible after death can only come from a beleif perspective. My 'end' here is sharing my belief about after-death, or what I call the "life-after" and that is it, sharing. Not debating and not bashing anyone over the head with it, Just sharing. You share your beleifs all the time Yorick, so I find it hard to understand why you are taking me to task for sharing mine. Oh well.
I am talking about my beliefs concerning death and reconcilliation and I qualified my post as such. I expect to be treated with respect. I expect not to be called ridiculous or pedantic (interesting choice of words there BTW) I expect everyone discuss the topics, and not take jabs at other each other or call each other names. Thats the rules of the forum and if it keeps up I will call for a moderater to lock the thread or administer justice as they see fit. Play nice and play fair. Be respectful or go away.
Now back to the discussion...
Of course an individual in the life-after cannot engage in any of the temporal activities listed, unless of course one has a belief in purposful reincarnation. Then estranged lovers, parents and children could indeed possibly "meet" again and share in the fruits of the physical.
But I was not talking about having physical activities together as a possibility, I was talking about the possibility of making reconcilliation: an emotional or spiritual "act".
I think, I believe, reconciliation after estrangement is possible after death. [/QUOTE]If proof of self is self awareness, and life is a collection of memories, then reincarnation is irrelevent to the discussion. The person does not exist in the same body, and has no memory of the past, so whether or not they keep the same soul, are for all intents and purposes a different person during their time on this planet. The truth of the matter may be different, but all we know is NOW, and NOW all that is past is memory. Without memory, nothing has happened. One's reality is limited to ones perspective, so for all intents and purposes, reincarnation - true or false - does not provide the reconcilliation I am describing. Death is the ultimate seperator.
Harsh? Of course. You can't wrap death in cotton wool. It is by embracing and accepting the reality of death, that we gain greater realisation and appreciation of life itself. All we have is this moment. The next is no certainty.