[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Nachtrafe: Wow...I have to admit Luvian, you're one of the last people I'd expect to find defending Rush Limbaugh. [img]smile.gif[/img] But good post, I say. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I have to agree. It isn't unusual for Luvian and I to disagree, but each of us seems to be on the opposite side of the issue than would be expected this time.

Originally posted by Nachtrafe: I've looked over the quote as well...the WHOLE quote, IN CONTEXT(same one you quoted), and I agree. I dont see that it's racist in any way. He's commenting on the sports media's desperate attempt to make an idol out of a black QB. That's not racist IMO, just the simple truth. But I agree. He will be demonized(again) by people who will get all in a lather and take his quotes out of context(on purpose). C'est La Vie(sp?)...I'm still a fan.

I have to disagree with you here, Nachtrafe. If McNabb were the ONLY black quarterback being playing in the NFL on a good team, Rush Limbaugh may have a point. But there Dante Culpepper, Michael Vick, and Steve McNair out there also. ALL of these guys have done great things for their teams and recieved the appropriate praise for their efforts. McNabb has also. His success is NOT just a product of media hype. He HAS made the plays at Philadelphia in the past. He HAS gone to the Pro Bowl several times, and he HAS won several football games on the strength of his physical skills. The media could hype him all they want, but if he wasn't actually delivering, the public would see through it in a heartbeat.

You know, normally, I would be the one defending Limbaugh in this case and saying that - in the context - his statement wasn't racist. While I agree that he intended to target the media rather than black quarterbacks, there are a plethora of ways he could have done it without saying that the media is practically bending over backwards to praise a black football player simply because he is black. The fact is, however, that McNabb has earned the praise based on his past performance. As Rokenn might say, if you can't see at least an implied racist attitude in his comment, then I don't see any other way to point it out.

Originally posted by Nachtrafe: Another quote, also by Mr Limbaugh, which sums up the issue pretty well. quote: "We supposedly have freedom of speech in this country, but if you don't say what people who consider themselves the arbiters of what can be said agree with, then they try to humiliate you and destroy your reputation."

[/QUOTE]Sorry, but Rush Limbaugh has done plenty to humiliate himself and destroy his reputation without requiring the assistance of the "arbiters". He doesn't need any help. He does a fine job of it on his own.