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Skunk and Cerek, as I said, I think a proper mix of "loss of freedom" and "physical" punishment, each with a decent smattering of embarrassment every now and then, is best. I like Paladin's post above. Like him, I was spanked, and I'm no mass murderer or anything. I've never seen a shrink, I got over my problems with my parents shortly after college, and I am seemingly reasonably well-adjusted from what I can discern.
I think the whole non-violence movement in the western world is way out of control. Some of the best things that I've seen happen to kids have included getting the crap beat out of them by fellow kids, getting paddled in front of the whole class at school, and getting a good smack in the mouth to stymie them while they were abusing the "people are watching" factor in a public place.
I think we've gotten too namby-pamby. In our fear that every parent will end up abusive, we've neutered what parenting is meant to be.
Skunk, the "lazy parenting" part is quite offensive. Most of the lazy parents I've seen never hit their kids, but rather let them annoy the piss out of the rest of us. I don't know about other parents on here, but you've insulted my parents, and you've insulted me based on what I intend to be like as a parent. If there is anything I am not, and my parents are not, it is lazy. In fact, hard work is the one virtue we all extol above all others. I ask you not repeat the sentiment again.
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