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Originally posted by Sir Kenyth:
The procreation fact is NOT off the table! You want it off the table because it's a hard point to argue against. It just dictates what the natural order of things is irrevecably. Where did the sperm come from? Not a woman I'll betcha! That means you need men to get it. Just like the egg can't come from a man, so you need women for it even if you throw the uterus out of the question totally with some scientific device. It takes two to make a baby, man and woman, period. Egg and sperm.
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It is off the table. You took it off and so did I. Sorry to point it out, but we argued it up one side of the forum and down the other, and I led you by the nose to a royal logical trouncing (*flexes left brain lobe for show-off effect*). Once we threw other issues (like sterility and homosexual adoption) into the mix, you backed off of it. Read the post of yours directly before my "Nugget of it" post and you'll see, si tu abres los ojos. I wouldn't have come round to posting my "nugget" post if I didn't feel it was obvious to me, you, and anyone that the "procreation" bit had been shown to be a distinction without a difference.
But, I'm happy to do it again. Hell, Socrates had patience when dealing with Menes, and I can exhibit the same virtue. Try answering this, and we'll begin again:
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Sterile people can't procreate naturally. Tell me again why we aren't dissolving their marriages. I think your only answer will end up translating to "they LOOK LIKE people who could procreate."
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