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05-19-2002, 09:26 PM

I would like to respond to some of the things that you have just said Neb.

You said “"If I sin I will go to hell, the Bible says so." "If I light a match and throw it on a piece of paper, it will burn. Science says so." Notice a similarity? While the effects might be true, the why could quite easily be wrong and therefore the effects might suddenly not be true.”

I understand what you are getting at here, but my comments still stand. If I light a piece of paper with a match, it will burn. Throughout history fire has burnt paper. In the future, it is completely reasonable for me to say that fire will burn paper. Saying “If I sin, I will go to Hell” is not the same. There is no proof at all. How can you put these in the same category when one is right there in front of your eyes and the other is just a far-fetched theory, with no evidence whatsoever.

You said “Like I said earlier, I am not trying to disprove Science in favour of God, I am merely saying that there is as little proof of the "Natural" as there is of the "Supernatural".”
How can you possibly tell me that there is as little proof of the natural as there is of the supernatural. I cannot take that statement seriously. There is so much undeniable proof of the natural with so little (near non-existant) proof of the supernatural. If you’re going to doubt our very existence, then you are opening up another can of worms completely.

You said “Nobody has ever proved the existence of God to you, then tell me, how have they proved the existence of all of Science's precious little laws?”
You have obviously misunderstood me. I do not need to prove sciences laws to myself or anyone. It makes little or no difference to the discussion of God’s existence.

Finally you said “I AM religious but I am not Christian, I am personally of the belief that most of Science IS correct. But that it has some.... Loopholes, of some sort, or that it is radically different, somehow, so that the supernatural DOES exist.”
This statement is exactly what I am trying to understand from all of this. People, including yourself, believe in the supernatural for some reason. They cannot tell me why. Generally, it’s not because of any particular thing that has occurred in their life. They are just sure that it exists. I need more than that. You may not, but I do. I DON’T WANT TO PISS ANYBODY OFF. I just want to know where this thought process comes from. I want to know why they feel this way, because I do not.

That is all.
Aviendha.

[ 05-19-2002, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: Aviendha ]

05-19-2002, 09:26 PM	#118
lroyo Guest Posts: n/a	I would like to respond to some of the things that you have just said Neb. You said “"If I sin I will go to hell, the Bible says so." "If I light a match and throw it on a piece of paper, it will burn. Science says so." Notice a similarity? While the effects might be true, the why could quite easily be wrong and therefore the effects might suddenly not be true.” I understand what you are getting at here, but my comments still stand. If I light a piece of paper with a match, it will burn. Throughout history fire has burnt paper. In the future, it is completely reasonable for me to say that fire will burn paper. Saying “If I sin, I will go to Hell” is not the same. There is no proof at all. How can you put these in the same category when one is right there in front of your eyes and the other is just a far-fetched theory, with no evidence whatsoever. You said “Like I said earlier, I am not trying to disprove Science in favour of God, I am merely saying that there is as little proof of the "Natural" as there is of the "Supernatural".” How can you possibly tell me that there is as little proof of the natural as there is of the supernatural. I cannot take that statement seriously. There is so much undeniable proof of the natural with so little (near non-existant) proof of the supernatural. If you’re going to doubt our very existence, then you are opening up another can of worms completely. You said “Nobody has ever proved the existence of God to you, then tell me, how have they proved the existence of all of Science's precious little laws?” You have obviously misunderstood me. I do not need to prove sciences laws to myself or anyone. It makes little or no difference to the discussion of God’s existence. Finally you said “I AM religious but I am not Christian, I am personally of the belief that most of Science IS correct. But that it has some.... Loopholes, of some sort, or that it is radically different, somehow, so that the supernatural DOES exist.” This statement is exactly what I am trying to understand from all of this. People, including yourself, believe in the supernatural for some reason. They cannot tell me why. Generally, it’s not because of any particular thing that has occurred in their life. They are just sure that it exists. I need more than that. You may not, but I do. I DON’T WANT TO PISS ANYBODY OFF. I just want to know where this thought process comes from. I want to know why they feel this way, because I do not. That is all. Aviendha. [ 05-19-2002, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: Aviendha ]