lroyo

You cannot expect to get anywhere by attempting to examine or engage theological arguments on their own ground, Put simply, this is all you need:

No one can prove the existence of any God,
Personal Experience counts for nothing, since it is wholly subjective.
Neither does “you must have faith first” since post hoc reasoning and failure filtering flaw this.
If you cannot prove god’s existence, Occams razor dictates that the most likely outcome is that God Does not exist, given our current state of knowledge.
There is no need to pay any attention to theology since its fundamental premise is therefore flawed as if you cannot prove anything’s existence you cannot claim to be able to interpret it.
Therefore as a result of the above we can dismiss religion out of hand, without even needing to go into any complicated issues.[/QUOTE]Dramnek,

I am not under some strange illusion that I can prove or disprove the Christian faith. There is simply no way of proving it as far as I can see, and therefore it is very easily dismissed.
On the other hand, I am extremely interested to find out why there are so many Christians in this world. What is it that drives them to the point of actually believing in it.
That is why I am having these discussions. I don't believe that Cerek is suddenly going to say "oh yeah, I guess your right", he is strong in his faith.

Aviendha.