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Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric:
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Originally posted by K T Ong:
I seem to have read somewhere that according to some Christian mystics (was one of them named Origen or something?) even Satan himself will ultimately be saved. There is therefore no such thing as eternal damnation. Elsewhere I also seem to have read that Satan is actually in a way doing God's will: the temptations he offers to humanity are really 'tests' to promote your inner growth. After all, another name for Satan is Lucifer, which means 'Lightbringer' -- he brings to light your weaknesses by putting temptations in your way, thereby helping you grow.
If all this is to be taken seriously, then it would seem to me that Satan is a good guy of sorts, after all! [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Sorry K.T., but your impression of Satan is completely off the mark. There is absolutely NO GOODNESS in him whatsoever.
He was called Lucifer BEFORE his fall from Heaven. Originally (before the Creation of Man), he was second in power only to God Himself. But Lucifer wasn't happy with 2nd best. He gathered angels that were loyal to him and they challenged God for His Power. He cast Lucifer out of Heaven and into the "depths of the earth". This was when God created Hell. It was designed solely for Lucifer and his fallen angels.
Satan KNOWS his fate will be eternal torture - there is no escaping it. He has already fought God and lost, so he now does the next best thing. Since He can't hurt God directly, he attacks Him indirectly by tempting His children (that would be us) away from worshipping God. Satan wants to lure as many souls as he can into Hell so that he won't have to suffer alone.
When a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, they are filled with the Holy Spirit (the 3rd part of the Holy Trinity). It is the Holy Spirit that points out our weaknesses and flaws. He shows us how disappointing our sinful actions are to God, our Creator. We see our sin through God's eyes then, not ours, and that is what guides us to change our behavior and overcome our sinful nature.
It does NOT mean that we stops sinning. We don't. We still sin against God every single day. But God is a wonderfully loving Creator. He knows our sins before we even commit them. All He asks is that we confess our sins to Him and ask forgiveness. He then forgives us of our sins and wipes the slate clean. Our previous sin is forgotten.
Sorry, I've done my best not to be "preachy" in this thread. I'm still trying to do that. I'm not Posting this to change your opinion, I'm just pointing out the error of your information.
AFA Moni is concerned, I would say that she has every right to say what a "true Satanist" is because she has LIVED with "Gothic Satanists" most of her life. The fact that she overcame that experience to become a Christian is truly remarkable.
AzureWolf, I realize that you consider Moni's Post to be a case of "comparing apples to oranges". In your view, Gothic Satanists have nothing in common with Religious Satanists, other than the name. But she grew up in what sounds like a pretty harrowing scenario for "non-Gothic Satanists", so I think she's earned the right to speak her mind about that.
Keep in mind that MANY Christians would consider MY Posts here to be a "sell out" or an "apologetic" approach because I'm not condemning your pagan worship. I am walking a fine line between respecting your beliefs and compromising mine, but there are FAR TOO MANY Christians that JUST scream "Hellfire and Damnation" at non-believers and never try to SHOW the Love of Jesus Christ to others. They're too blind or intimidated to realize that thier approach will have NO POSITIVE EFFECT for either side.
I would love to see every single person accept Jesus Christ as their Savior, but that simply won't happen. That's a hard fact to accept, but it's reality. Christianity has not had an "un-blemished" past, and that gives many people sufficient reason to doubt its' validity.
The only way I can overcome that and try to gain respect for my chosen faith is if I show that same respect to those of different faiths. I do not agree with your chosen religion, but I still respect you as a person (as I do every member of this board).[/QUOTE]Well lets see here, as everyone knows Im one of the least tolerant people on IW [img]smile.gif[/img] And all I have to say to AZ about this is....Nice post, good thread and interesting link. I don't share your beliefs but then a lot of people do not share mine, Im down with that.
Cerek I just love reading your posts [img]smile.gif[/img] (guess it helps that you agree with me a lot
) Everyone has to find their own way, and this is what trips yer trigger, cool by me...right up untill you hurt children or force your views on others...