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Originally posted by Azred:
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Originally posted by Yorick:
If we want to change human concepts regarding war then history needs to be reflected on with current values. War is a cancer. At times a vile necessity. One which should be avoided, and when necessary, viewed with distaste, not glorified.
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But Yorick, from where would many nations then get a sense of national pride if not from having a list of conquered enemies? Upon what foundation will they build their society if not on the crushed remains of other societies? 
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I know what you mean. Unfortunately, you and I will not even be memories when--indeed, if--those views about war change. In the meantime, the striving towards the goal is the objective rather than the goal itself.[/QUOTE]Why do we need to have "us and them" in the first place?
Can we not have 'human pride'?
Yes striving for the goal is the important thing. Takes a longer perspective rather then expecting immediate gain.