MagiK

-you did not build up any part of my country. you helped building up western germany ONLY to have security-zone against russia, not because you wanted to be helpful.
-The world would be a better place without the usa. ecologically in any case, maybe politically and in any case economically.
-most US-Citizens did not vote for Bush, thats certain.[/QUOTE]The following is a post made By Mordin THE ONLY person willing to look up and find the answers:

Moridin
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posted 09-09-2001 12:56 AM
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John D...can't remember where I posted that I would look at efficiency numbers (or was I just dreaming that ) but I did look around and found some interesting numbers and then did some calculations on Excel and this is what I found...they are very interesting and I am glad that I looked them up

Efficiency of oil use
Number of metric tons of CO2 emissions per barrel of oil
(i.e. In 1995 the US produced .0927 metric tons of CO2 per barrel of oil consumed)

....................1995........2000
US..................0.0927......0.0930
Japan...............0.1110......0.1104
Western Europe......0.1138......0.1140
Russia..............0.1187......0.1169
China...............0.1166......0.1177
India...............0.1174......0.1168
The US is relatively a lot more 'clean' when it comes to the use of oil as a fuel (i.e. car exhaust, power plants, natural gas)

Efficiency of Energy Use
Number of CO2 emissions per 1 Billion BTUs
(i.e. In 1995 the US produced .0427 metric tons of CO2 per 1 Billion BTUs of energy consumed)

....................1995........2000
US..................0.0427......0.0429
Japan...............0.0458......0.0447
Western Europe......0.0429......0.0426
Russia..............0.0453......0.0445
China...............0.0625......0.0617
India...............0.0575......0.0560
Again very interesting to see that the US is relatively more 'clean' (outside of Europe) in energy consumption (i.e. coal burning)

NRG Consumption vs GDP
A pretty good look at how much energy is needed to create $1 of GDP...had a couple of professors use this same calculation to show how 'efficient' we are in our production of products
This is in Millions of BTUs per $1 (i.e. in 1995 the US took 5.06 Million BTU's to produce $1 of goods or services)

....................1995........2000
US..................5.0670......4.5205
Japan...............2.2793......2.5223
Western Europe......3.0074......2.9503
Russia..............42.6284.....48.5857
China...............18.9175.....17.3452
India...............9.7675......10.0841
Japan and Western Europe are a little more efficient than the US, but Russia, China and to a smaller extent India, have a little catching up to do

NRG Consumption per capita
Basically a look at how much energy each person uses each year
(i.e. In 2000 in the US each person consumed 122.008 Billion BTUs of energy)
........................................2000
US......................................122.0088
Japan...................................66.1024
Western Europe..........................67.5638
Russia................................. 121.3296
China...................................12.5872
India...................................4.6994
Now we see that the US is a pretty large consumer of energy...while we are efficient in it's use, we could probably slim it down a little...note how much less Japan and Western Europe use per person and how much more efficiently they produce goods and services.

Just thought these were pretty interesting. This is by no means saying that the US should continue to stroll along their marry path, we do have room for improvement, but so do some of the other industrialized countries

edit: sorry about all the .... but it was the only way I could come up with to format it so it didn't all run together!

The original posts (Mordin's and my reply to him)can be found at http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=002714;p =5

Posted 23 April, 2002
John D.'s comments
Now as you can see the USA is more efficent in it use of GAS for cars the great myth that we are not clean. The rest of the world clean your act up on auto emmissions, before you even think about pointing a finger at the USA. Europe & Japan are more efficeint in the turning of energy to final products, but then the size of the area and distance the raw matterials must be shipped to manufacturing, the to the consumers must be factored in (if you wish to be intellectually honest). The USA covers a much larger area then Western Europe, or Japan.
As for who, or whom is using energy the least efficient (MOST WASTEFULL) Why look it is Russia, China, and India, the every people Koyto (or What ever) would have let slide. Yeah,let the most wastefull slide and punish the most efficient that sounds like a good plan to me.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Hey Great p[ost John D. [img]smile.gif[/img] SC should love these, she likes to see the figures..which I almost never take the time to look up and put down ion detail [img]smile.gif[/img]