MagiK

yeah, I guess the research will only be complete when the polar ice caps have completely melted...[/QUOTE]Rokenn, are you aware that there were MANY many times before homo-sapiens were on the scene when there were NO polar Ice caps? Did you know that we are currently in an interglacial period and were you aware that there are theories that the melting of the fresh water ice of the polar caps that actually triggers ice ages? Gee if we ARE inter glacial..and we are DUE to have another Ice Age...wouldnt that theory actually fit the trends? The science for the accords is bad and is not worth the US or anyone else investing in preiod![/QUOTE]Even if This is true and even if the gas emitions don't cause the Global Warming
What right does that give us to go poplute the earth?
And further more What does that give countries the right to break treaties they made?
I hardly find any of this cheerful and i do think Magik that for once you should try to see things from a less egoïtic poit of view[/QUOTE]Hi Rikard, umm Im not sure where my point of view is egotistical, since my psyche is not part of the ecology.

What right do we have to utilize the world in any way we as humanity sees fit?? I believe it is called emminent domain. Being the TOP of the food chain is what it is all about. At every level in nature you will notice that the critters at the top eat the ones below (ie use the resoources they have available to them). Human beings have all the right they need to use the planet, it is what it is there for.

Should we use it wisely? sure, Im all for better efficiency and good science, but you know...as much as every one bitches about emmisions from cars, they are only 10 percent of what they were in the 1960's. I would say a 90% increase in efficiency is quite a good damn achievement. As for poluting the air, ALL of mans atmospheric emmisions for the last few decades don't even come close to equaling even a single major volcanic erruption. Humans are NOT as bad as the reactionaries would have the world believe. Unfortunatley those alarmist types who want government grants and cheritable donations KNOW they need to make everything SOUND like its going to hell in a handbasket.

Anyway, Im not knocking your right to believe what you wish Rikard, but I will say this to you...I ...that is ME personally I , have to live in the same world as you, I have to drink the same water, and breathe the same air. I can also see the advances and improvements we have made and I also know that most people alive and protesting today, do not remember the good old days when every house in the USA (practically not litterally) was burning coal or wood to heat with, or the clouds of coal smoke that would fill the valleys.....The country is better now than it was then as far as polution is concerned not worse. Is it a utopia. No, ill agree there, but lets get our heads out of the political propaganda that is environmentalism these days and stick to the facts. We are getting better, we can't change things overnight, and we do not need to get all radical and bent outta shape to do better.

[ 04-15-2002, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]