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03-07-2002, 04:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Donut:

I think 2,3 & 4 are more or less the same thing but never mind. As for Bush did not campaign on free trade here is a quote from his campaign announcement speech in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, June 12, 1999.:

'I’ll work to end tariffs and break down barriers everywhere, entirely, so the whole world trades in freedom. The fearful build walls. The confident demolish them. I am confident in American workers and farmers and producers. And I am confident that America’s best is the best in the world.'

and from a Republican debate in West Columbia, South Carolina Jan 7, 2000:

I would be a free trading president, a president that will work tirelessly to open up markets for agricultural products all over the world. I believe our American farmers. can compete so long as the playing field is level. That’s why I am such a strong advocate of free trade and that’s why I reject protectionism and isolation because I think it hurts our American farmers.

Looks like he was in favour of free trade there.

Before anyone complains that this is an American bashing thread, I would like to say that I have read quite a few articles from US newspapers about this subject and they all appear to be against this move.

I think that a blanket statement that we are making uninformed generalisations is a bit rich coming from you Magik.

Hiho Davros I envy your research time [img]smile.gif[/img] And Ill have you know that MY generalisms are ANYTHING but Uninformed, unlike 90% of the posters here I have lived the events you guys speculate and pontificate on. Ive been out there, Ive been under fire and I have seen what I talk about. I dont mind youngsters proffering thier takes on things [img]smile.gif[/img] but I do discount the value of a lot of it because it lacks one lil tiny ingredient...experience... when you're 40 come talk to me. Or when you have actually been part of the process by helping to make policy talk to me... (in useing the term You're Im speaking in general and not meaning YOU in specific here)

There is a reason that most radicals are college students [img]smile.gif[/img] they are young, and impetuous and they have no concept of what cannot be done. They are the idealists, the dreamers and in a lot of cases the motivators of change....more often though they grow up, learn that things are the way they are because of the way things work in the real world So Ill sit here and make my INFORMED Generalisms and when PROVEN wrong, I will admit it.

As for your speech excerpts (nice job of finding them by the way) sounds like he is for free trade when it is possible, doesnt mean that he is going to blindly apply his idealisms despite the facts or the realities that his economic advisors give him.

And lastly I would like to say [img]smile.gif[/img] LONG LIVE KING GEORGE W BUSH! Im sure he is behind the black helicopters and the new world order too [img]smile.gif[/img]

03-07-2002, 04:41 PM	#24
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by Donut: I think 2,3 & 4 are more or less the same thing but never mind. As for Bush did not campaign on free trade here is a quote from his campaign announcement speech in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, June 12, 1999.: 'I’ll work to end tariffs and break down barriers everywhere, entirely, so the whole world trades in freedom. The fearful build walls. The confident demolish them. I am confident in American workers and farmers and producers. And I am confident that America’s best is the best in the world.' and from a Republican debate in West Columbia, South Carolina Jan 7, 2000: I would be a free trading president, a president that will work tirelessly to open up markets for agricultural products all over the world. I believe our American farmers. can compete so long as the playing field is level. That’s why I am such a strong advocate of free trade and that’s why I reject protectionism and isolation because I think it hurts our American farmers. Looks like he was in favour of free trade there. Before anyone complains that this is an American bashing thread, I would like to say that I have read quite a few articles from US newspapers about this subject and they all appear to be against this move. I think that a blanket statement that we are making uninformed generalisations is a bit rich coming from you Magik. Hiho Davros I envy your research time [img]smile.gif[/img] And Ill have you know that MY generalisms are ANYTHING but Uninformed, unlike 90% of the posters here I have lived the events you guys speculate and pontificate on. Ive been out there, Ive been under fire and I have seen what I talk about. I dont mind youngsters proffering thier takes on things [img]smile.gif[/img] but I do discount the value of a lot of it because it lacks one lil tiny ingredient...experience... when you're 40 come talk to me. Or when you have actually been part of the process by helping to make policy talk to me... (in useing the term You're Im speaking in general and not meaning YOU in specific here) There is a reason that most radicals are college students [img]smile.gif[/img] they are young, and impetuous and they have no concept of what cannot be done. They are the idealists, the dreamers and in a lot of cases the motivators of change....more often though they grow up, learn that things are the way they are because of the way things work in the real world So Ill sit here and make my INFORMED Generalisms and when PROVEN wrong, I will admit it. As for your speech excerpts (nice job of finding them by the way) sounds like he is for free trade when it is possible, doesnt mean that he is going to blindly apply his idealisms despite the facts or the realities that his economic advisors give him. And lastly I would like to say [img]smile.gif[/img] LONG LIVE KING GEORGE W BUSH! Im sure he is behind the black helicopters and the new world order too [img]smile.gif[/img]