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Garnet FalconDance · 01-30-2002, 12:07 PM

Scronan--I am married to a wonderful man who is *very* masculine--yet is a wonder in the kitchen (course he did work as a chef for 10 years). He has also, on several ocassions, broken one of the biggest male taboos--he has ::gasp:: cried where others could see him in grief and sadness and hurt and frustration. When women were awarded the monopoly on such expressions, I have no idea but someone certainly insulted both genders when they started assigning behaviours solely to one and not the other.

Galadria, I am not a rabid feminist tho I do support some of the basic ideaology. Your tale of the radfem and her sexual outlook had me howling with laughter while shaking my head at others' blindness.

MagiK, by your premise, if a woman does not have a man to hunt, etc. (insert modern correspondence) then she would be helpless OR begin exhibiting masculine-type characteristics to the detriment of her femininity.(?) I say to that--bull shit. I may not be able to lug that deer home all in one go over my shoulders (btw, at 5'4" and only 90#, that gal is either anorexic or dead), but I can damned well bring it down as efficiently and butcher/process it to feed my family. I can also support my family in good style without A) a man or B) resorting to compromising my femininity.

Is a man who stays home to care for the family directly less than the one who is away at work all day? Does this emasculate him? Does a woman who is not only willing but capable to join in protecting her country sacrifice her core essence? History reflects a trend for men to take over the 'hard' roles while women stay in the background. I would challenge you to peak out of your box and see if that is because these artificial boundaries are indeed necessary for biological or for societal reasons. (And while I'm at it, in the broader sense, women only took a submissive role with the advent of certain religous groups). I realize you speak in broad generalizations, but this needs to be focused if you wish a discussion.

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01-30-2002, 12:07 PM	#32
Garnet FalconDance Mephistopheles Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: deep within the sylvan splendor.... Age: 62 Posts: 1,443	Scronan--I am married to a wonderful man who is very masculine--yet is a wonder in the kitchen (course he did work as a chef for 10 years). He has also, on several ocassions, broken one of the biggest male taboos--he has ::gasp:: cried where others could see him in grief and sadness and hurt and frustration. When women were awarded the monopoly on such expressions, I have no idea but someone certainly insulted both genders when they started assigning behaviours solely to one and not the other. Galadria, I am not a rabid feminist tho I do support some of the basic ideaology. Your tale of the radfem and her sexual outlook had me howling with laughter while shaking my head at others' blindness. MagiK, by your premise, if a woman does not have a man to hunt, etc. (insert modern correspondence) then she would be helpless OR begin exhibiting masculine-type characteristics to the detriment of her femininity.(?) I say to that--bull shit. I may not be able to lug that deer home all in one go over my shoulders (btw, at 5'4" and only 90#, that gal is either anorexic or dead), but I can damned well bring it down as efficiently and butcher/process it to feed my family. I can also support my family in good style without A) a man or B) resorting to compromising my femininity. Is a man who stays home to care for the family directly less than the one who is away at work all day? Does this emasculate him? Does a woman who is not only willing but capable to join in protecting her country sacrifice her core essence? History reflects a trend for men to take over the 'hard' roles while women stay in the background. I would challenge you to peak out of your box and see if that is because these artificial boundaries are indeed necessary for biological or for societal reasons. (And while I'm at it, in the broader sense, women only took a submissive role with the advent of certain religous groups). I realize you speak in broad generalizations, but this needs to be focused if you wish a discussion. [ 01-30-2002: Message edited by: Garnet FalconDance ]