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fable · 01-24-2002, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by Yorick:
Fable, at best all such "early fathers" writings do is analyse the Bible/Torah. Christians today have the source material, and additional perspective. It's a reasonable assertion to claim that Christian/Jewish/Islamic theologians should have a greater understanding of the character of God, the Holy Spirit, and Lucifer, than the early fathers as so much has passed and been viewed since then.

Then all you need to do is wait for me to post this useless material from the Early Fathers, and then you can post far more relevant and incisive comments of your own, and shoot down the earlier stuff immediately.

But this is the problem with writing from the perspective of non-belief. It IS an inanimate subject with that perspective.

On the contrary: I may not worship Jesus as part of Christianity, but Jesus and Mary are both part of my pantheon, and yes, I have and do worship them. [img]smile.gif[/img] It is a living tradition in the best sense of the Word. Where such matters are concerned, the higher intuitive heart and soul comprehend something which is timeless, and all members of a congregation, living and dead (or alive in Christ, as I believe it is sometimes said) join hands. The moderns, who have access to the latest scholarship, are not put before the ancients; nor are the ancients better, simply because (as some people once reasoned, foolishly in my opinion) they were nearer in time to Christ. I have heard it said by a Presbyterian minister I greatly respect that in the universal leveling of the human comprehension of Christ, time ceases to have meaning, and the weight of experiences of all Christians, in all periods, may possess something valuable.

The appeal to "non-professionals" as having no worth in a discussion is hardly valid when the views expressed are simply coming from "professionals" in any case possessing credentials that are extremely well-regarded. You have expressed your opinion that the Early Fathers have nothing to contribute; I have expressed mine that they do. I'll try posting some of their views upon the subject of sin and temptation when I get the chance, and you may then tell me how worthless their concepts are. De gustibus.

[ 01-24-2002: Message edited by: fable ]

01-24-2002, 01:31 PM	#61
fable Quintesson Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Where I am. Posts: 1,089	quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Fable, at best all such "early fathers" writings do is analyse the Bible/Torah. Christians today have the source material, and additional perspective. It's a reasonable assertion to claim that Christian/Jewish/Islamic theologians should have a greater understanding of the character of God, the Holy Spirit, and Lucifer, than the early fathers as so much has passed and been viewed since then. Then all you need to do is wait for me to post this useless material from the Early Fathers, and then you can post far more relevant and incisive comments of your own, and shoot down the earlier stuff immediately. But this is the problem with writing from the perspective of non-belief. It IS an inanimate subject with that perspective. On the contrary: I may not worship Jesus as part of Christianity, but Jesus and Mary are both part of my pantheon, and yes, I have and do worship them. [img]smile.gif[/img] It is a living tradition in the best sense of the Word. Where such matters are concerned, the higher intuitive heart and soul comprehend something which is timeless, and all members of a congregation, living and dead (or alive in Christ, as I believe it is sometimes said) join hands. The moderns, who have access to the latest scholarship, are not put before the ancients; nor are the ancients better, simply because (as some people once reasoned, foolishly in my opinion) they were nearer in time to Christ. I have heard it said by a Presbyterian minister I greatly respect that in the universal leveling of the human comprehension of Christ, time ceases to have meaning, and the weight of experiences of all Christians, in all periods, may possess something valuable. The appeal to "non-professionals" as having no worth in a discussion is hardly valid when the views expressed are simply coming from "professionals" in any case possessing credentials that are extremely well-regarded. You have expressed your opinion that the Early Fathers have nothing to contribute; I have expressed mine that they do. I'll try posting some of their views upon the subject of sin and temptation when I get the chance, and you may then tell me how worthless their concepts are. De gustibus. [ 01-24-2002: Message edited by: fable ]