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Originally posted by Tobbin:
Yes, that is what I was trying to say. As a people, we are not yet ready. We are getting there. It takes awhile before a society changes. Whether we will get there in my lifetime or not, I can't say. I think eventually that we will find an equilibrium with each other. In many ways, it seems the only way that we as a people can survive.
Tobbin, thanks for that story. You know what? It couldn't have happened in the Netherlands. I know quite a few homosexual couples and since a couple of years it is ok for them to get married here. They are also allowed to have children, though naturally it's a lot more 'hassle' than for ordinary couples. However, it is a perfectly accepted part of our society. There are many celebrities in Holland who are openly gay and there's at least one that I know of who has adopted a child with his partner. If such a child went to school here, the other children would quite possibly be curious about his/her domestic situation, but it would run an equal risk of getting bullied as any other kid, not a higher one.
You see, it isn't the homosexual parents an sich that have a negative influence on the child's development, but, as you pointed out as well, it's the rigid society that thinks it can make life a living hell for the child because it grew up in a different household than they did. It's been proven that kids with two parents of the same sex do not become gay themselves (
) and that, if the relationship is good, there are no ill effects on the child. It is also true that gay people have to go through a lot more trouble to get married and have a child than straight couples, and therefore, they usually are a lot surer that this is what they want. It wouldn't surprise me if the divorce rate here in Holland was lower among gays. Tests have also shown that most gay couples have a diverse and reliable circle of friends, so that the fear that their child will never see someone of the other sex is unjustified too. In fact, a lot of gay women couples who have a child here, ask a close male friend to donate semen to impregnate one of the women. The child will be told who his real father is, and the father will visit often. Actually I'm quite proud of our tolerant society. I haven't seen anybody ever benefit from (racist) hatred, not even the racists themselves.
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Well, you are correct also, what i don't like is that some here just keep on trying in vain... well gay people who want to be women to some extent only, and that is what i just don't like about some people. if i am asked, i would simply answer i have nothing about them. and this would be just a side comment.
Bahamut, I wish you would stop bringing this up. I already told you it's a DIFFERENT thing! Men who want to be women aren't even necessarily gay, they are transsexual! They feel the same as you would, were you to wake up in a female body tomorrow. They feel as if they are trapped inside the wrong body. To their mind, they really ARE female, just in the wrong body, so if they like men, to them that's heterosexuality. This is a serious disorder but there is nothing to be despised about it. Again, I'm glad I live in a tolerant, sensible country, where the few people who are born like this (and I'm NOT talking drag queens) can be councelled and even get surgery. What you are talking about, I think, are just effeminate gay men. Well, tough luck if you don't like their behaviour! I'm not particularly fond of it either, but you are sounding so intolerant of people's differences I can't believe it.