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Sazerac · 11-28-2001, 10:59 AM

It does bear repeating, Ziroc, and thank you for posting it. Naming no names, but there has been a recent trend of people once again accusing mods of having double standards and playing unfair. (Not here in Gen Con, thank goodness, but in other forums).

Get this through, guys: Ziroc owns this place. He makes the rules. This "ain't no" public park or civic center. Your tax dollars don't support Ironworks. This isn't a corporation, with the members being the stockholders (thank the heavens!). This is a privately owned forum, and as far as I can tell, is one of the better run and more lenient ones out there. This isn't a democracy. There is no congress or parliament here. It's a dictatorship, guys. A very benevolent one, but a dictatorship. Guess what? So's every other privately owned forum on the Internet. A lot of those aren't so benevolent. Welcome to our world.

Banning and suspending are NOT taken lightly here. These are extreme measures taken only when a member has repeatedly acted in an inappropriate manner to the detriment of the board and to other members' participation in that board. Now we have seen a suspension and a ban as of yesterday. Both of those members had been repeatedly warned of their behavior, and yet persisted in doing the very same things they had been warned about. In that case, it is Ziroc's perogative to enact whatever measures he sees fit for the benefit of the overall board. BTW, just because you don't see a public posting of someone being reprimanded doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Most of the warnings take place via private e-mail to avoid public humiliation. Again, not all boards are so "nice."

We have repeatedly had a call to publicly excoriate one of our members at IW for offhand remarks he made at the expense of others in one of the other forums here. That member has been warned and reprimanded for his actions as per our policies, and he backed off and DID NOT REPEAT HIS BEHAVIOR. Yet there's a contingency out there howling for his blood; that nothing less than a virtual "public lynching" will satisfy their bloodlust, and who scream every time someone is reprimanded that Ziroc and the mods have a "double standard" and are playing favorites. Never mind that we've seen far worse posted by other members who were also neither banned nor suspended. (Don't call me on this...I can pull up old threads as proof. My memory's not THAT bad!)

This is what Ziroc is referring to. Now, as far as I know, no one else is in any danger of being suspended or banned. When Ziroc makes a ruling such as this, you certainly do not have to agree. But you must agree to abide by whatever decision he makes. That's the rules here, guys.

OK, rant mode off (finally!)

11-28-2001, 10:59 AM	#3
Sazerac Ironworks Moderator Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Monroe, LA Age: 61 Posts: 7,387	It does bear repeating, Ziroc, and thank you for posting it. Naming no names, but there has been a recent trend of people once again accusing mods of having double standards and playing unfair. (Not here in Gen Con, thank goodness, but in other forums). Get this through, guys: Ziroc owns this place. He makes the rules. This "ain't no" public park or civic center. Your tax dollars don't support Ironworks. This isn't a corporation, with the members being the stockholders (thank the heavens!). This is a privately owned forum, and as far as I can tell, is one of the better run and more lenient ones out there. This isn't a democracy. There is no congress or parliament here. It's a dictatorship, guys. A very benevolent one, but a dictatorship. Guess what? So's every other privately owned forum on the Internet. A lot of those aren't so benevolent. Welcome to our world. Banning and suspending are NOT taken lightly here. These are extreme measures taken only when a member has repeatedly acted in an inappropriate manner to the detriment of the board and to other members' participation in that board. Now we have seen a suspension and a ban as of yesterday. Both of those members had been repeatedly warned of their behavior, and yet persisted in doing the very same things they had been warned about. In that case, it is Ziroc's perogative to enact whatever measures he sees fit for the benefit of the overall board. BTW, just because you don't see a public posting of someone being reprimanded doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Most of the warnings take place via private e-mail to avoid public humiliation. Again, not all boards are so "nice." We have repeatedly had a call to publicly excoriate one of our members at IW for offhand remarks he made at the expense of others in one of the other forums here. That member has been warned and reprimanded for his actions as per our policies, and he backed off and DID NOT REPEAT HIS BEHAVIOR. Yet there's a contingency out there howling for his blood; that nothing less than a virtual "public lynching" will satisfy their bloodlust, and who scream every time someone is reprimanded that Ziroc and the mods have a "double standard" and are playing favorites. Never mind that we've seen far worse posted by other members who were also neither banned nor suspended. (Don't call me on this...I can pull up old threads as proof. My memory's not THAT bad!) This is what Ziroc is referring to. Now, as far as I know, no one else is in any danger of being suspended or banned. When Ziroc makes a ruling such as this, you certainly do not have to agree. But you must agree to abide by whatever decision he makes. That's the rules here, guys. OK, rant mode off (finally!) __________________ "And all my days are trances, and all my nightly dreams, Are where thy grey eye glances, and where thy footstep gleams, In what ethereal dances, by what eternal streams..."