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Harkoliar · 10-06-2001, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by 250
you do not have control over family, station, health state, race when you were born.
is it fair? no

are you acountable for your life? yes

I am not here to argue with you about how unfair fate is
only to point out: you are on your own

how well you live right now is the result 5 or 10 or 20 years ago. if you choose not to deal with problems, they accumulate, and you end up in poverty, divorce, bankrupcy, mental break down, being abused, sick, ill, and worse, dead

I've seen many of those who are born disabled, and they acheived so much more than most "normal" people I knew of. so what does that say to you? you ARE accountable. the way of your life is the result of YOUR choice.

as much as i hate to disagree with you, you are right to say on what you have said 250.

Originaly posted by Neb
If I have to choose ONE of them, and only ONE, then I think I would have to choose person "A", he/she should maybe be a bit more patient, perhaps he/she could ask "B" to help him/her AFTER "B" had finished doing whatever it was he/she was doing.

methinks that is the right one to say although some may think otherwise

. each person has his/her own opinion. thanks for you 2c

Originaly posted by Melusine
I never give them money because they'd only spend it on drugs and I think I could use it better. In this, I don't agree with Neb, as I will never give such people money. However, I have brought one beggar that we knew a little bit a warm plate of food on a few occasions, and in this my opinion differs from 250's - I think they certainly deserve help, and I'm all for the beggar shelters we have in Amsterdam (where they can get a cup of coffee, a meal and a place to sleep). Such a darwinist view of leaving the weak to their own devices is despicable to me.

ah! the darwin's principle "the strong shall live and the weak shall die", "the mighty will always rule over the weak", such is power ethics. but i ask you now Melusine, IF money is the only option, what would you do? i have suffered in my conscience because of what i see in the "cold, real world". being kinda sheltered then seeing this kind of poverty, it truly makes me sad to see this kind of things happening around me.

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10-06-2001, 11:48 AM	#9
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 42 Posts: 5,556	Originally posted by 250 you do not have control over family, station, health state, race when you were born. is it fair? no are you acountable for your life? yes I am not here to argue with you about how unfair fate is only to point out: you are on your own how well you live right now is the result 5 or 10 or 20 years ago. if you choose not to deal with problems, they accumulate, and you end up in poverty, divorce, bankrupcy, mental break down, being abused, sick, ill, and worse, dead I've seen many of those who are born disabled, and they acheived so much more than most "normal" people I knew of. so what does that say to you? you ARE accountable. the way of your life is the result of YOUR choice. as much as i hate to disagree with you, you are right to say on what you have said 250. Originaly posted by Neb If I have to choose ONE of them, and only ONE, then I think I would have to choose person "A", he/she should maybe be a bit more patient, perhaps he/she could ask "B" to help him/her AFTER "B" had finished doing whatever it was he/she was doing. methinks that is the right one to say although some may think otherwise . each person has his/her own opinion. thanks for you 2c Originaly posted by Melusine I never give them money because they'd only spend it on drugs and I think I could use it better. In this, I don't agree with Neb, as I will never give such people money. However, I have brought one beggar that we knew a little bit a warm plate of food on a few occasions, and in this my opinion differs from 250's - I think they certainly deserve help, and I'm all for the beggar shelters we have in Amsterdam (where they can get a cup of coffee, a meal and a place to sleep). Such a darwinist view of leaving the weak to their own devices is despicable to me. ah! the darwin's principle "the strong shall live and the weak shall die", "the mighty will always rule over the weak", such is power ethics. but i ask you now Melusine, IF money is the only option, what would you do? i have suffered in my conscience because of what i see in the "cold, real world". being kinda sheltered then seeing this kind of poverty, it truly makes me sad to see this kind of things happening around me. ------------------ Revived I Am to hunt this world... Banish ye evil or face my wrath...