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Originally posted by Larry_OHF:
In response to something I read earlier, God knew, (he being all-knowing) that when he created mortals, they would disobey. It is only given to Jesus Christ to be perfect, so we all fall short of our expectations. Adam and Eve cannot be considered any different than that.
Since God already knew that mankind would fall from grace, He already had Jesus lined up to save us. Christ's role in the Plan of Salvation was foreseen as needed.
As for the part of "Eat and ye shall surely die" ~ God, and Thou shalt not surely die ~Satan...that can be explained like this...
Temporal death- Body dies
Spiritual death- Living outside of the presence of God (the Spirit cannot actually die, but the loss of God's presence in one's life is termed asd Spiritual death.
When God said taht they shall surely die, he did not say that they would fall dead at that moment. But they did fall from his presence, meaning that they had to be cast out. The scriptures point out that Adam and Eve lived a long time after that, and had children. When Satan said "thou shall not surely die, he was answering in half-truths. He was telling Eve that she would not instantly lose her life. What he did not tell her is that she would eventually suffer physical death, but since he is satan, he didn't feel the need to include that part.
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Oh, sheesh, Larry! I get so fed up of that old excuse being trotted out all the time.
Look - if you tell someone they will die if they eat something, the person EXPECTS to DIE. DROP DOWN DEAD.
If you only mean they will fall out of your favour/die spititually (however bad you think that is) then it it is DECEPTION not to tell them so!!! Grrrrrr!!!!!
Satan was telling half truths? SO WAS GOD, too!
Which, then, was worse?
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[This message has been edited by Fljotsdale (edited 09-09-2001).]