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John D Harris · 08-12-2001, 12:01 AM

Skywalker,
I have no problem with you calling Bush an idiot, since you have defined that as your opinion.
Diogenes Of Pumpkintown,
That is how conservatives are difined openly in the media. Durring the affirmative action "brew-ha-ha" in Califronia a couple of years ago the leading conserv. Ward Connely (sp?) was called all of those names by the leading liberals in the news on the air. Al Gore called the conservs. those very names and worse in one of his debates with Bradley (in N.Y. if I remember correctly).
Let a conserv. (Rep) politican call a liberal a hate monger or any name and sit back and watch the fireworks. If you don't believe me I offer this historical anticdote. Remember Sen. Packwood of Or. drummed out of the senate because he made sexual advances towords his staffers. Even though erevy woman that said "NO" to Sen. Packwood all said that was the end of the advances and he NEVER HELD IT AGAINST THEM PROFESSIONALY, in other words there was NO work related consequences, several still were working for him when he left. The media was all over Packwood, N.O.W. was screaming bloody murder, as were other "liberal" orgaizations. A woman accuses a well know "liberal" Pres. of sexual advances and she is called "trailor trash". Please don't make me go into historical facts showwing this double standard, because I'll be unmerciful.
As for the conserv. congressmen, if you are indeed a Jefferson liberal then you will understand T.J.'s statement that when the people discover that they can vote things (money, goodies, and the like) for themselves the republic is DOOMED.(paraphasied by me)
Speaking for my self as a conservative I would like to send what tax money I send to Washington D.C. to my own state capital. And send what taxes I send to Montgomey,AL to Washington D.C. For a simple mathimatical reason, in Wash. D.C. My voice is 1 of 280+ million, in Montgomery, Al my voice is one of 4-5 million. It carries more wieght in Montgomery than in D.C.
In my opinion the Fed. govt. ought to do two things 1) keep foreign govt's off my back (military) 2) Keep the states from violating my Constitutional rights (Fed. courts and Justice Dept.) everything else is fluff. Let the states take care of it, the states that are run the best will by nature be the most successful, and will retain their population. Poorly run states will lose their population to the better run states, and their tax base. Poorly run states populations will learn to vote for better people. Nothing in life is free everything has consequences. We only hurt people in the long run if we do not remember that fact. Help people yes, but don't hand them everthing on a silver plater.

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08-12-2001, 12:01 AM	#34
John D Harris Ninja Storm Shadow Join Date: March 27, 2001 Location: Northport,Alabama, USA Age: 63 Posts: 3,577	Skywalker, I have no problem with you calling Bush an idiot, since you have defined that as your opinion. Diogenes Of Pumpkintown, That is how conservatives are difined openly in the media. Durring the affirmative action "brew-ha-ha" in Califronia a couple of years ago the leading conserv. Ward Connely (sp?) was called all of those names by the leading liberals in the news on the air. Al Gore called the conservs. those very names and worse in one of his debates with Bradley (in N.Y. if I remember correctly). Let a conserv. (Rep) politican call a liberal a hate monger or any name and sit back and watch the fireworks. If you don't believe me I offer this historical anticdote. Remember Sen. Packwood of Or. drummed out of the senate because he made sexual advances towords his staffers. Even though erevy woman that said "NO" to Sen. Packwood all said that was the end of the advances and he NEVER HELD IT AGAINST THEM PROFESSIONALY, in other words there was NO work related consequences, several still were working for him when he left. The media was all over Packwood, N.O.W. was screaming bloody murder, as were other "liberal" orgaizations. A woman accuses a well know "liberal" Pres. of sexual advances and she is called "trailor trash". Please don't make me go into historical facts showwing this double standard, because I'll be unmerciful. As for the conserv. congressmen, if you are indeed a Jefferson liberal then you will understand T.J.'s statement that when the people discover that they can vote things (money, goodies, and the like) for themselves the republic is DOOMED.(paraphasied by me) Speaking for my self as a conservative I would like to send what tax money I send to Washington D.C. to my own state capital. And send what taxes I send to Montgomey,AL to Washington D.C. For a simple mathimatical reason, in Wash. D.C. My voice is 1 of 280+ million, in Montgomery, Al my voice is one of 4-5 million. It carries more wieght in Montgomery than in D.C. In my opinion the Fed. govt. ought to do two things 1) keep foreign govt's off my back (military) 2) Keep the states from violating my Constitutional rights (Fed. courts and Justice Dept.) everything else is fluff. Let the states take care of it, the states that are run the best will by nature be the most successful, and will retain their population. Poorly run states will lose their population to the better run states, and their tax base. Poorly run states populations will learn to vote for better people. Nothing in life is free everything has consequences. We only hurt people in the long run if we do not remember that fact. Help people yes, but don't hand them everthing on a silver plater. ------------------ "the memories of a man in his old age, are deeds of a man in his prime"