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Originally posted by Moridin:
Uh Oh a religious topic! Will try to contian myself....nooooo....I am being pulled in.....it can't happen......HELP!
I too am an atheist, but perhaps a different 'definition' than Moiraine  .
Yorick--
You mention all of the good that christianity has done for people. I do not disagree with you, but I have to say that christianity has also done quite a bit of harm to people as well! How many 'heretics' died in the names of christianity? Why are gays/lesbians hated so much? Why are there no women clergy? This may be more of a rant against organized religion, but the whole idea to me is a bit proposterous! Personally I like to rely on my own beliefs and power to change my life and those around me, rather than the teachings of a man that lived 2000 years ago. I don't intend to offend and am not bashing christianity or those who follow it, just giving my opinion 
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Moridin, people commit those crimes not Jesus. When power is at stake humans will use whatever weapon available. Do you really think the inquisition was so faith based? Someone comes down and preaches about love, forgiveness, understanding, brotherhood, and it's followers torture other followers?
Jesus said to his followers "you shall know them by their fruit" when referring to other beievers, and that "false prophets" (people who distort his teachings perhaps?) would appear after him, and that "not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven."
The purpetrators of the Spanish inquisition, of wars of religion in England and France, of the Ku Klux Klan murders are hardly bearing "good fruit". If I call myself a socialist and espouse capitalism in my words does that make me a socialist? If I claim to love you and then beat the s--- out of you, does that make me a loving person? If I claim to be racially tolerant, and then discriminate, ignore and bash other races does that make me racially tolerant?
No it makes me a f------ liar, and that's exactly the type of person Jesus got filthy angry with. Hypocrites!
Please Moridin! Humans are human. Read some teachings and then see if the actions of 'followers' equates with the teachings.
There are plenty of women Clergy too. Not all churches refuse women the right to preach or minister, maybe just the ones you've seen. Even the ultra-conservative Anglican church in Sydney narrowly voted against. 49% for. It will be a matter of time.
There are christains I know who are against the actions of homosexuals, not the people themselves. I myself have in my life had the pleasure of knowing such inclined folk (and even been hit on
), and as a Christian am certainly not a 'gay hater'.
Regarding the teachings of someone 2000 years ago. If it's been around for 2000 years, and people are still into it - growing daily, isn't there something in it? A new teaching has a lot of kinks to iron.
The words transcend time, speaking to the soul. Humans haven't changed much, we still visit the sam bull---- on each other we always have, we still love, hurt, cry, propogate, war, eat food, drink wine and complain that "it is meaningless, all meaningless" (Ecclesiastes).
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O.K..... what do I do now? Goo goo goo choo?
A fair dinkum laughing Hyena!