I played Wizardy 7 and my friends too, we think that Wizadry 7 was (is) the longest and toughest RPG. Many people end on some puzzle or too tough monsters and really only several people finished game (at least as I heard). Cannot tell about W&W, because I just started, so far looks like best RPG I played in years. Hardcore RPG. Serpent temple was very challenging like old good table AD&D. Most importantly, character development is great and complicated and that's what makes W&W and Wizardy so great games - Lotsa quests, spells, skills and option to develop your character (plus you have more than one
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