you askin for it Yorick... a debate is a debate... i totally believe you are WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY .................................................. .................... way wrong that magic sux... here is my own logic for this if you want to know....
1) im a mage (hehe) what an argument! i imagine your just gonna say "so what??"
2) anyway (a wee bit serious now) magic is very important in the world of d&d as well as bg2. that is why so many people are interested in bg2 because it is a FANTASY WORLD and ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE... almost all of the most powerful people are one way or another related to magic... Elfminister, GOrion, Saverok, Bhall and everyone else are some what related to magic ... heck! ALL THE GODS ARE MAGIC... without magic... hmmm... let me put it this way...
this is a really interesting argument since this reminds me of the time when i was still reading the sword of truth series... in the book, the people say that they can live without magic or anything reltated to magic... well let me say this to you Yorick as what the main character said to them (well close to it)... "everything is magic in this world, without it you wouldnt be living here..." if you dont get it... well let me put it this way... you cant be born in this world without magic... it is true sex = sperm+egg = baby BUT how about the soul of the body... where does it come from... its MAGIC...
secondly to you answers againt the clerics... you say that why cant you just bring all your dead people into the temple and have them raised right?? well there is really a flaw in the game of bg2... people cant just be raised in the true harcore rulez in d&d... i think the creators just did that because alot of people would be crying thier hearts out because they cant ressurect thier npc after more than a couple of hours... secondly clerics would need more than a fulls day rest when they ressurect somebody... and third thier god doesnt ressurect just anybody you know... fourth- the ressurection is quite expensive and only the high class can afford them... fifth- didnt you notice at the start that you cant ressurect Khalid anymore? (the husband of Jahera and he wuz alive during bg1)
3rd= you think bards suck because music makes magic... hmmm let me ask a question with a question my dear Yorick... why does a sword kill a person or why do we breath air no water? Answer: because it is like that and we cant do anything about it. The creators of bg2 as well as d&d made it that way... besides it is quite interesting concept dont you think? try reading (if your an avid reader) spellsong wars series... thier magic is totally based on music or the bardsong series (sorry i forgot the authors)
hey hey hey... manipulating someones minds may be quite indecent and quite wrong ... but do not blame magic for the cause of that... if we are talkin real life here... then your might as well putting the blame on the hackers, government, and the real life gypsies in thier world... dont forget that we have real psychics too in this world that can make things float... isnt that MAGIC??
whew (fingers are shaking) man what a long argument... anyway... ps Yorick: sorry if i cant reply right away (if you replay back to my argument) ... i have school, assignments PLUS i live in the south east asia with a biggy time differece here... oh yeah... this post might overtake ltl mans post... GL with that.
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