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Old 04-15-2003, 12:04 AM   #81
Sneeki Two
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Join Date: August 11, 2001
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Originally posted by Luvian:
</font><blockquote>Quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sneeki Two:
This is going nowhere Ken. The book is an AD&D novel with AD&D characters in an AD&D world. You are using some other defintions. Im sorry, but demons are not gods (not even close, in AD&D) and can be slain or summoned by powerful enough characters.

I understand exactly what you are meaning, but in AD&d demons are what I have shown you.

In Tolkiens world, the Balrog is closest to a demon. We know that one wiped out a dwarven nation, but also died at the hands of a single powerful wizard.

The fact is demons are what you want them to be (no one I know has ever seen one). The books Im referring to are all stories made up by writers(pure fiction).

In a biblical sense demons are simply fallen angels.

If you want your demons to be all powerful, unstoppable fiends then dont bother reading the book "Dance of Demons". This book was a high level adventure (there are very few of these written). For what it was I enjoyed it. Some hated it...as I have hated other books suggested here on the boards.

I wish you happy reading.
My current most recommended series: The Song of Fire and Ice by George R. Martin
Another Song of Ice Fire fan!!

While I agree with you that D&D demons are not very powerfull, I have seen in multiple sourcebooks the 9 demons lord of Hell, and some of the Abyss, being refereed as quasi power (quasi god). So I think that a mortal being able to beat them is a little too much.

What I don't like about that series is that the main character get some extremely powerfull powers/items from gods, and I think it's an overkill. The term used to describe such campaign is "Maunty Haul" and it's never a good thing. I would love that series a lot more if the main character had never received such powerfull powers/items.

Those items remove all challenge. I can accept the Demon Lords getting defeated in an epic battle lasting 25 days and night, but I sure can't accept them getting defeated in one less than an hour.

So, my opinion is that story had potential. But no challenge and suspense is boring, in my opinion.

Since you are a fan of George R.R. Martin, you should know what I am talking about. The characters in a Song of Ice and Fire are all balanced, and you never know if they are going to die or survive. That's a good thing.
</font>[/QUOTE]I actually read the Gord the Rogue series back when it was first released(last book was released in 1988 and I was a hard core gamer back then). I got a kick out of it then, but its not really what I read now. I used to like the Drizzt books, but now then seem a bit basic(though I did like the Entreri book). I do love Martin's books though(Can't say much more, but its just damn good stuff). Just wish he would write faster, hehe. Currently reading Steven Brust's "Taltos" books, and love them also (though they are way too short).
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