[Luvian]

Originally posted by WOLFGIR: Your argument is slowly building up to that Epic levels are wrong, bad, munchkin etc but you are as wrong to say that as everyone telling you you are wrong.

Oh my god. After all the time I've said it, either you can't read or you're trolling. I have nothing against epic level characters. I have something against level 41+ characters!!!

If you however specifies your argument that NWN 2 OC only should have none Epic levels rules etc, none is arguing against you there.

I have nothing against epic level characters. I have something against level 41+ characters!!!

Sorry, but this doesn't float, just shows your lack of experience playing high level campaigns, or you are simplyfying things that it appears like it. Epic characters means EPIC Dragons, Epic Kobolds, means also Epic work for the DM [img]smile.gif[/img] And please tell me you haven't only been facing CR 1/3 Kobolds all your life playing D&D? In the Epic handbook you can read alot of making your above statements not true. Monsters of CR 20-90 smonething excist to make your long and hard journey just as challenging as you like to. If you want to munchkin it out, you can sure do that as well and keep all the things you have mentioned in your posts, but Epic play doens't look like that in the rules, nor handbooks and espacially not in my Epic camapigns.

My point here is that you can't just add mobs that are over the level cap just like that, in an existing world. It has to be carefully balanced in. You have to re-balance the whole game. Every single npcs, to make sure they make sense in this new unbalanced world.

That is based on HOW YOU feel, think and runs your games. I liked to run Epic adventures that meant immense battles and intrigues that involved not small dungeons with level 60 monsters waiting around. I leave that to your games.

Now you're just being insulting. If I just said this would make no sense, why the heck would I leave level 60 characters just sitting around?

Sure I enjoy the low level gaming as well as high level gaming. It is up to the party, players, adventures and DM to make it fun and into a great experience. With the Epic rules, you will get new Epic advesaries and intrigues not of the normal world and all the Epic rules suggest that you should move the gameplay into another realm of playing to keep the game balanced.

So you're saying Elminster is not part of Forgotten Realm? What about Kelben Blackstaff? You're saying when your players hit epic level they just leave everything behind and never come back to their old world? I hope not, I'd feel cheated as a player if a DM tried doing that to me.

There is simply no right or wrong way to play the game. To suggest that your way is the right way and others high level play is the wrong is just silly. None has talked about powergaming here. Adding new level of play is not powergaming. See Legolas answer.

Yes, reaching the level cap and simply raising it without re-balancing the whole world is pure powergaming. You simply want your characters to get more powerful and the expense of everything else.

And maybe, you know, instead of blindly joining the thread and starting ranting about perceived attacks against high level campaigns, you could have made some research. If you did you'd realize the last time I talked about D&D I talked about the last epic game I DMed. Which happen to have been my favorite game of all time. This isn't about epic levels. It's about breaking the epic level cap just so you can get some more powergaming in.

[ 03-02-2007, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]