[Bungleau]

I'm with you, Dragon2005. I like a game that's challenging... it's no fun playing god-like characters, frankly.

I've killed Oakenmir once... it took a long time, and shot me up some 50 levels. Nothing particularly gratifying about it, though, so I haven't done it again.

The bug with the tree seed quest is that if you complete it by going to the Lost Sea area (where the treants are), you lose your chance to complete the third wizards guild quest (opening the shrine of Anephas). The only way to get the treant seeds without going through the shrine is to either tree-surf over to the Lost Sea area, vanish there in just the right spot, or perhaps attack Oakenmir so he summons some treants to his aid. I haven't tried that, but it might work.

'Course, you can also hack a seed, but that's always an option.

And bottom line... yes. If you restart the game, your level 19 characters go back to Valeia to start the game all over again. My second game was a solo zenmaster... just took her out through the Gael Serran.

BTW, some folks have made the game more challenging by applying certain rules, such as only equipping cursed items, wearing no items, or starting out with a difficult party. I played a Den of Thieves, and not being able to join a guild until I got to Ishad N'ha was very difficult. By the end of the game, though, you will still be god-like... and when the Den finally got magic (assassin, zenmaster, and valkyrie), they were truly formidable.