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hey guys thanks for all your help, pack was right I had locked the elevator. I pauses for a fraction of a sec between goes and I thought it was a one shot button. I have now reverted and thisarvo have gained myself levels above my trapped glory. I'd still like to know how these guys survive on no food or sleep but hey, another time. on the up side I guess I'm one of the few who find the belfry the 1st time through. It's the small concelations that matter. btw you guys rock.
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