Whoa... settle down gentlemen its a game! [img]smile.gif[/img] Min/Maxing is a tacitc and it is fair and usuable since the game was made that way. I play WITHIN the rules of the game, ALWAYS!!! I think perhaps Luvian you would be happier playing PnP? I know what the 3rdE Rules are... But I also know what the IWDII rules are. And since Im fighting the cheapest DnD scenario EVER (HoF) I dont feel bad bein a little cheap. I just dont like self imposed rules in gaming... Takes the fun out of it. Just today I summoned a creature I'd never even SEEN before... But HAVING to use low level summons that gives me new opprotunities in the game. Its all in fun. LUVIAN: You'll be happy to know the first party I beat the game with (including HoF) was not min/maxed. But I've moved on to power gaming now just to see what CAN be done... it doesnt mean EVERYONE should play the way I do... Just as Im sure you realize VERY FEW play the way you do. [img]smile.gif[/img] I must ask though... Do you sleep on a bed of nails???