I like to use teiflings for ANY clas that needs good DEX and INT... they make good Wizards and Rogues and Wizard/Rogues. [img]smile.gif[/img] but the BEST thing about them is their min/maxing capability. If you lower a HUMANS charisma all the way down it will go to 3 from 10 giving you 7 points. if you lower a Teiflings (who takes a 2 point charisma penalty) down to its lowest, which is 1 instead of 3 you STILL get 7 points AND you get the plus 2 bonuses to Int AND Dex. If Charisma is not important for your character then Teiflings get a +4 ability point increase with no real penalty. This is also what makes Half Orcs so great... They penalize their INT and CHA but what use does a Half Orc have for those in the first place? Its not like you where going to make them into Sorc Wiz or Rogue anyway. Lower them down to 1 a peice and make him a Fighter/Barbarian. I am a BIG fan of min/maxing... I just wish it could be done with more stats.